Hcg

[Alpha_Romeo]

Ok first of all here is my PCT

HCG CLOMID

HCG 250iu ed for 10-14days
Clomid 100mg day 1-10 50 mg day 10-30.

Maybe trib

I just ran 600wk of cyp.

I'm 17 days off now and start PCT tomorrow and I feel fine actually, not shut down at all.

first of all I have 5000iu of hcg and solvent.

How do I measure out 250 ius? Do I just mix x amount of solvent and divide x by however many times 250 goes into 5000? which is 20?

Do I have to keep it in the fridge because that is not really a possibility.

And insulin pins? I only have one right now my buddy told me you can reuse these but I highly doubt that. Should I just buy another dozen pins or something?

[Merc..]

Nolva needs to be used when using HCG.. the conversion of 17 hydroxyprogesterone to test is blocked by the nolva..

Also

HCG has to be kept in the fridge..

And

You never reuse a needle....


Merc.

[Big]

yes, it has to be refrigerated, no, you CAN NOT re-use insulin pins.
xmoe has an excellent article on hcg, look it up and do some reading, it will answer all of your questions.

[TEST_ME!]

bro id add nolva to that pct @20mg's ed for 4wks.hcg has to be kept in the fridge!also if u gonna use 250iu ed you'l keep it for 20days so id use bacteriostatic water to mix it with,and id never reuse pins,just get 20 29gauge pins

[Merc..]

Also trib increases estrogen..

Please see the post towards the end of this thread where we start discussing it...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=311318



Merc.

[Big]

also check out x moe's post here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=292564

[Dizz28]

*waits for S431M7 to chime in his infinite wisdom*

[football2007]

lol.

Trib is worthless IMO

[Merc..]

lol.

Trib is worthless IMO

It is good for elevating estrogen lol... From all the studies I have seen anyways..



merc.

[football2007]

Yup, thats one thing it is good for, but for what most use it for, it's a waste of $

[pimpdawgin]

Nolva needs to be used when using HCG.. the conversion of 17 hydroxyprogesterone to test is blocked by the nolva..

Also

HCG has to be kept in the fridge..

And

You never reuse a needle....


Merc.

HcG converts to progesterone???? WTF? I thought HcG just acted as LH, raising test and possibly aromatizing to estrogen.
And how does Nolva block any conversion? Isn't it just there to block estrogen receptors from being attached to by estro?
Please explain.

[Merc..]

HcG converts to progesterone???? WTF? I thought HcG just acted as LH, raising test and possibly aromatizing to estrogen.
And how does Nolva block any conversion? Isn't it just there to block estrogen receptors from being attached to by estro?
Please explain.

Here is a study from pubmed ..


Tapanainen J, Martikainen H, Dunkel L, Perheentupa J, Vihko R.
The temporal response patterns of the concentrations of serum testosterone, oestradiol, 17-hydroxyprogesterone, pregnenolone, progesterone, androstenedione and 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone to a single i.m. dose of hCG (5000 IU/1.7 m2) were investigated in prepubertal and early pubertal cryptorchid boys, and compared with the response patterns obtained earlier in adult men. The rapid response (at approximately 2-4 h) of serum testosterone was lacking in all boys, whereas the slow response at 2-5 days was constant. The relative response (the maximum stimulated concentration vs. the basal level) of serum testosterone was 70-fold in prepubertal boys and 6-fold at early puberty, compared with 2.4-fold in adult men. Serum oestradiol and 17-hydroxyprogesterone concentrations did not increase in the prepubertal boys, but did increase at early puberty, revealing a pattern similar to that observed in adult men. Hence, the prepubertal endocrine testis appears to be very responsive to hCG stimulation, and this responsiveness is rapidly lost with advancing puberty. The absolute increases, however, were smallest in prepubertal boys, perhaps reflecting the small potential Leydig cell mass. The responses of serum oestradiol and 17-hydroxyprogesterone to hCG appeared later during the boys' development than the response of serum testosterone. The relative testosterone response was maximal in the absence of an oestradiol response. It is suggested that testicular oestradiol production in response to LH/hCG appears in the course of puberty and results in intratesticular short-loop feed-back inhibition of androgen production. This is reflected by the appearance of a 17-hydroxyprogesterone response and by a decrease in relative testosterone response.

PMID: 6135519 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Merc..]

Also

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.Smals AG, Pieters GF, Drayer JI, Boers GH, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.
Intramuscular administration of 1500 IU hCG daily for 3 days induced a transient accumulation of 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone (17 OHP) relative to testosterone (T) in normal men, reaching its maximum 24 h after the first injection (17 OHP to T ratio, 1.7 +/- 0.3 times baseline; P < 0.01). Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

PMID: 7419679 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

[Merc..]

Also

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

Merc.

[Merc..]

also check out x moe's post here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=292564

^^^^^^^^^

Yea I forgot about that ... Thanks


Merc.