Frontloading

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 04:08 PM

I will be running test e 600mg pw and EQ 600mg for my next cycle.

In order to frontload do i need to inject 1200mg test e and 1200mg EQ in my first week and then go back to normal dosages after active test/eq in my body has halfed?

Can someone confirm that this is correct.?

Also should i shoot the full 1200mg of test e and 1200mg of EQ on the same day but at different injection sites (approx 4 injections per day) or, can i break them down into smaller injections and spread it over the week?

Will this still have the same effect?

If i am frontloading in the first week and essentaily doubling my dose of test/eq, would it be safe to say that i would also need to double my dose of Armidex and Duta for this first week?

Thanks.

**Johny-too-small** · 09-17-2007, 04:11 PM

Frontloading explained-

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Frontloading explained-

Read through this twice dude, its the reason why i have decided to frontload.

Just want to confirm on my dosages, injection times, and adex/duta frontload.

**Johny-too-small** · 09-17-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Read through this twice dude, its the reason why i have decided to frontload. Then why the dumb question, dude?
Just want to confirm on my dosages, injection times, and adex/duta frontload.

No, you dont frontload adex/dutra.

**ToTheBuckeT21** · 09-17-2007, 04:19 PM

frontloading is awesome!!!

I only front load test

**Johny-too-small** · 09-17-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ToTheBuckeT21

frontloading is awesome!!!

I only front load test

Meh, never did shiz for me or the bros I know.

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 05:01 PM

anyone else? need a professional opinion

**Big** · 09-17-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

anyone else? need a professional opinion

well I was going to say that I've frontloaded test e and I felt the effects (sex drive) much sooner than the same type cycle without frontloading, but I'm not a professional, so I'll move along

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ImaGetBigger

well I was going to say that I've frontloaded test e and I felt the effects (sex drive) much sooner than the same type cycle without frontloading, but I'm not a professional, so I'll move along

I regard you as a pro, you know your shit.

What you think about fromlaoding the eq, the injection times and the increase in dosage for Adex/Duta for the first week?

**C_Bino** · 09-17-2007, 05:11 PM

I never understood the logic behind faster effects with frontloading.

Lets look at it this way. If I run 1g of test per week, no frontloading just 2x500mg shots, will I feel it soon than I felt the same test when I ran my ast cycle at 500mg per week? Because with the frontloading logic I AM in effect frontloading 500mg of test. I just never drop back down to 500mg per week, I keep it at 1g.

So essentially you could say running 500mg per week is like frontloading 250mg per week. So why would I feel it faster when I just simply dont drop the dose in half?

Makes no sense to me and never agreed with it.

**Amuuzeng** · 09-17-2007, 05:17 PM

Looks about right. I'd suggest twice weekly injections. If you want to get technical, EQ and Test E do not have the same 1/2 lives. EQ is longer. There is a good post on half lives. If you want exact dosages you'd inject accordingly which would be different days for each compound (ie, spread out through the week) and yes this should have the same effect. I'd say, don't double ancillaries, just take them consistantly.

**Johny-too-small** · 09-17-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

I never understood the logic behind faster effects with frontloading.

Lets look at it this way. If I run 1g of test per week, no frontloading just 2x500mg shots, will I feel it soon than I felt the same test when I ran my ast cycle at 500mg per week? Because with the frontloading logic I AM in effect frontloading 500mg of test. I just never drop back down to 500mg per week, I keep it at 1g.

So essentially you could say running 500mg per week is like frontloading 250mg per week. So why would I feel it faster when I just simply dont drop the dose in half?

Makes no sense to me and never agreed with it.

Agreed. Frontloading is a bunch of BS.

**rabidsquirrel** · 09-17-2007, 06:06 PM

i dont undrstand frontloading, if i do 500mg or 1000mg why would that matter on how fast it is ubsorbed. its more than normal either way so my body should take it in at the same rate right? sometimes i wonder if people are just feeling there kickstarts like dbol or prop?

i was planning on doing it next cycle just because of the great everyone talks about it? Guess i will find out if theres a differents.

**Atomini** · 09-17-2007, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Agreed. Frontloading is a bunch of BS.

Interesting. I'm starting to think the same thing.

I frontloaded my test E 2 weeks ago (i'm currently on the 3rd week) and I did feel a slight increase in sex drive, but no noticeable in-gym effects yet, and it's the 3rd week already.

**Big** · 09-17-2007, 06:09 PM

Everyone is different, but I'm not going by something I read somewhere, just my personal experience. On test e at 500mg/week I usually notice an increased sex drive as my first signs it's "kicking in" as they say, on around week 5 or 6. Same conditions but 1000mg week 1 then down to 500, and I notice the increased sex drive week 2 or 3. Now the increased sex drive may be the only difference, I'm not saying it's a night and day difference either way, just my .02 on what has worked for me.

**Amuuzeng** · 09-17-2007, 06:25 PM

You frontload to get to a 'steady state' quicker. It will not be absorbed any quicker, but you will get to you body's steady state or desired concentration faster. Depending on the person and available receptors, this will make all the difference in the world or none at all--everyone will have a different therapeutic level depending on age, weight, past cycles, etc, etc...

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 06:28 PM

Any other opinions on frontloading?

Yes or No and why

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 07:10 PM

bump..

**nrobleski** · 09-17-2007, 07:17 PM

frontload with test prop or suspension something with a quick halflife, run the prop or susp from week 1-4 or 5 while running your normal test e or c dose byt he time you drop the short esterd test your longer esterd test will be peaking so you wont lose any time gaining

**millionairemurph** · 09-17-2007, 07:17 PM

if i ever use long esters again...
id front load tripple dose for the first week or double for the first two weeks.
I doubled for 2 with enth and decca and "felt it" It week 2-3
I got the bloat starting in week 2 as well, my stomach gained several lbs all on its own

**Big** · 09-17-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by nrobleski

frontload with test prop or suspension something with a quick halflife, run the prop or susp from week 1-4 or 5 while running your normal test e or c dose byt he time you drop the short esterd test your longer esterd test will be peaking so you wont lose any time gaining

why would you frontload prop or susp? Frontloading short esters makes no sense really, they already hit the system fast.

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 08:20 PM

So should i frontload or not?

**Atomini** · 09-17-2007, 08:21 PM

Hmm is it general consensus that people ONLY saw libido increase with frontloading by the second/third week and NOT in-gym results??

I'm just trying to find out if my frontload experience is right on track here. All i've seen so far is slight libido increase.

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 09:03 PM

Has anyone seen an increase in gym results when frontloading?

**Big** · 09-17-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Has anyone seen an increase in gym results when frontloading?

That's hard to say, I've frontloaded on cycles running test, deca , and dbol or drol. I don't keep a log of workouts, so of course I see increases in the gym, but I can't say it's just because of frontloading. Basically no one can tell you if it will help you or not, try a cycle with (or without) frontloading, then try the other next cycle, it's all about finding what works for you.

**big_dubya33** · 09-17-2007, 10:15 PM

My personal experience -am in 2nd cycle right now. First cycle didn't frontload test, this cycle I did...took about 5 weeks for test to kick in last time. This time I'm feeling it in week 3.

only compounding variable is that I'm also runnng tbol this time (no kickstart previously) which also seems to take about 3 weeks to fully kick so that is an alternate explanation...

**Johny-too-small** · 09-17-2007, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

So should i frontload or not?

Lets put it this way. I frontloaded my Enan, Decca only cycle. I did it primarly to SHORTEN the length of the cycle and recover sooner. However, I found myself running the extra two weeks anyway because the gains were really kicking in around week 6-7.

Imo, no need to frontload. My brother and buddy had the same exp. with their cycles too.

**Kratos** · 09-17-2007, 10:29 PM

frontloading is BS? Funny I see it other long acting medications in clinical studies. Where do you think the extra drug goes? Poop it out?

**Second2None** · 09-17-2007, 10:45 PM

i just got done front loading, im on week 2 and major increase in sex drive, im about to chop down a tree put a hole in it and call it suzie

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

frontloading is BS? Funny I see it other long acting medications in clinical studies. Where do you think the extra drug goes? Poop it out?

So Kratos are you for frontloading or against frontloading and why??

**Kratos** · 09-17-2007, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

So Kratos are you for frontloading or against frontloading and why??

Put it this way, can you frontload a beer? Pound two then drink one at a time slowly and you'll understand anyone who disputes frontloading isn't thinking.

**JAY_WD** · 09-17-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

Put it this way, can you frontload a beer? Pound two then drink one at a time slowly and you'll understand anyone who disputes frontloading isn't thinking.

SOLD! Frontloading it is!!

You know your shit Kratos.

So are my frontloading dosages correct?

Would you bump up the Adex/Duta for the first week?

**Kratos** · 09-17-2007, 11:52 PM

Adex is not needed as it isn't a real long half life. Duta has a half life of about 5 weeks. Studies were done where they had people take 2.5mg a day for 2 weeks and it resulted in the same peak concentration as taking .5mg ed. You could up the duta for the first week if you want to.

**JAY_WD** · 09-18-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

Adex is not needed as it isn't a real long half life. Duta has a half life of about 5 weeks. Studies were done where they had people take 2.5mg a day for 2 weeks and it resulted in the same peak concentration as taking .5mg ed. You could up the duta for the first week if you want to.

I am running Duta/Adex throughout my cycle to minimise hair loss and bloat.

I figured that if my test for the week increased, my Adex and Duta for that week would need to increase as well.

Should i increase for first week or stay as normal?

**Johny-too-small** · 09-18-2007, 09:16 AM

Jay wd,

Hey bro, best of luck on your cycle. Is this your first? My frontloaded cycle made me horny as shiz really fast too, however, I didnt start seeing real gains in the gym for a long time after. I was eating like a beast.

Hope it works out better for you. Good luck.

**Discipline_1** · 09-18-2007, 10:48 PM

i was debating whether to frontload or not too, i just started a cycle and ended up frontloading to see how it works for me... even though there are a lot of mixed thoughts...bottom line for me is mathematically, frontloading makes sense

**JAY_WD** · 09-18-2007, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Jay wd,

Hey bro, best of luck on your cycle. Is this your first? My frontloaded cycle made me horny as shiz really fast too, however, I didnt start seeing real gains in the gym for a long time after. I was eating like a beast.

Hope it works out better for you. Good luck.

Thanks dude, yes this is my first injectable cycle.

Did a cycle of Halo-50 a few months ago and best gains came during last two weeks of PCT and a few weeks after PCT.