Question about tbol/var cycle

[mcdaniqw]

I'm 26 yrs old, and 210lbs, 15% ft.

I've been lifting since I was 16 or so... and have tried about every designer hormone, etc. on the market. I'm looking to try out my first steroid cycle after a ton of research. I'm not looking to get absolutely huge, and I want minimal water bloat and minimal muscle loss and I go off the cycle.

Here's what I'm thinking...
Wks 1-6: Tbol 60mg/day (3 doses of 20mg)
Wks 7-10: Var 50mg/day (2 doses of 20 and 30mg)

I haven't been able to get a clear idea on weather or not this will shut me down... seem like people go back and forth. Any experience out there? I'm debating on adding 250 mg/Wk of Test E. If I normally wouldn't be shut down, it seems as it adding this test would be a waste as it would shut me down and now I'm having to pay money to replace what my body had been naturally creating. However, if I will be shutdown no matter what.... then it seems like a good idea to add test to my cycle to replace what I use to create, so I can fully benefit from the var and tbol.

Anyone have any thoughts... should the test be added?.... expected results on strength... weight loss... muscle mass increase....???

[ricker35910]

i would deffinitly add some test but 250mg per wk is a waiste

[magic32]

1. I'm with Ricker it is always a good idea to have Test in a cycle.
2. Tbol and Var suppress Test, they won't completely halt/shut-down production.
3. The Ross Cocktail Var & Tbol (look it up), would be far superior to a cycle of half Var, half Tbol.
4. And as stated at least one million times, the results you'll get can be found in the drug's profile, however will vary depending on diet.

[Johny-too-small]

10 weeks is too long for an oral only, imo. Take it like this:

Tbol 60-80 mg/ed, Var 50 mg/ed for 6-8 weeks. Gains from tbol peak around the 5th or 6th week.

Great idea to add test:

1-10: Test E @ 500 mg/ew
1-8: Tbol or Var

Good luck.