who cruises?

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 07:46 AM

i know there have been some threads on this and most will advise against it unless they compete professionally.

i ordinarily wouldnt think about it but i am in a special circumstance and that is that i need my sex drive and body in order to live as i am a male escort, model, topless butler and porn actor

i cant afford financially to be comming off gear with no sex drive for 12 weeks at a time

i would like to hear peoples experiences on the follwing if poss:

how long they been doin it?
how long do they plan to do it?
how old are they?
why they do it?
what doses and for how long? (i was thinkling 12 weeks on, then 4 weeks cruise at 125mg test EW)
how does there blood work look?

hope to get some good input into this

positive and negative

**mike2nice** · 09-26-2007, 07:50 AM

topless butler??

**Primalinstinct** · 09-26-2007, 07:52 AM

Usually older men or someone with a medical condition.

Or people who think that the tree grows to the sky.

**BOOST** · 09-26-2007, 07:56 AM

Off cycles my test level is 200, I am really thinking about it after this cycle ends to do 100mg per week of test e for life to be honest with you.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by BOOST

Off cycles my test level is 200, I am really thinking about it after this cycle ends to do 100mg per week of test e for life to be honest with you.

are u saying u currently cruise at 200mg but wana cruise now for life on 100mg?

how old are you?

i am only 28 and the idea of having to jab for life is a bit scary

**Primalinstinct** · 09-26-2007, 08:02 AM

Natural test production generally starts to decline in the mid 30's. Depending on who you are and what you did to your body thru life.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Primalinstinct

Natural test production generally starts to decline in the mid 30's. Depending on who you are and what you did to your body thru life.

i started cycling at 24
off cycle my sex drive is very minimal and working is VERY VERY difficult
there have been a few embarrassing moments

my test production is pretty fcked now anyway - would take months and months to recover but think i could do it

i wouldnt necessarily cruise for ever - just for a year or so while i am doin the porn, until i finish my personal training course and work at the gym where i wont be needing my cock to be hard all the time (well not as much anyway lol)

**Primalinstinct** · 09-26-2007, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

are u saying u currently cruise at 200mg but wana cruise now for life on 100mg?

how old are you?

i am only 28 and the idea of having to jab for life is a bit scary

No. He said 100mg cruise after his current cycle.

And yeah, it's scary. 90% of the time stupid, too. If you are going to manipulate your hormones the rest of your life, go do it right and get tested to see if you need the treatment.

While in your twenties, chances are you do not need it, bro.

**goose** · 09-26-2007, 09:10 AM

The problem is when you want to come out of cruise.You will lose everything,if you could deal with this,could be your thing.

**buffgator** · 09-26-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

The problem is when you want to come out of cruise.You will loose everything,if you could deal with this,could be your thing.

Please elaberate on this goose.

**vitor** · 09-26-2007, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by buffgator

Please elaberate on this goose.

Ime sure he meant that testosterone production will not come back to normal levels after cruising for a long time...

Nobody will not be able to hold their muscle mass or strenght with "low" T-levels.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Ime sure he meant that testosterone production will not come back to normal levels after cruising for a long time...

Nobody will not be able to hold their muscle mass or strenght with "low" T-levels.

which means if i do it i will basically be on for life ? even if it is just HRT

how on earth do the proffessionals manage it without dropping dead
i mean coleman must have started gear about age 20 or earlier and he is 40 now

**305GUY** · 09-26-2007, 11:02 AM

given your situation i would definietly do it..

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by 305GUY

given your situation i would definietly do it..

i am VERY tempted

but just got my blood test back after being 8 weeks off cycle and they say my liver/kidney and red blood cells are abnormal
although i wont get the actual figures until friday

**vitor** · 09-26-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

which means if i do it i will basically be on for life ? even if it is just HRT

how on earth do the proffessionals manage it without dropping dead
i mean coleman must have started gear about age 20 or earlier and he is 40 now

Ofcourse they are on for live, most of them anyway...

Imo, the most importent thing(for you, if your going thrue with this) is to get on a HRT program...

Before you take the Testosterone test at the doctors office, take a shot of tren -a 2 days b/f, your T-levels score will be very low, and you will be qualified to be given test replacment for live.

**ironaddict69** · 09-26-2007, 11:21 AM

personally i dont think it would be TERRIBLE for your health to stay on year round, but i mean 200 mg a week or 250 tops. if your livers suffering, stsy away from orals. ur physique is kickass as it is, and 250 mg year round, man youll only improve as long as you stick with your diet and lifting.

**Atomini** · 09-26-2007, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

which means if i do it i will basically be on for life ? even if it is just HRT

how on earth do the proffessionals manage it without dropping dead
i mean coleman must have started gear about age 20 or earlier and he is 40 now

I think test production is different for everyone. I know guys in their 50s who have the sex drive of a 20 year old, and they're not on any HRT or any supplements even. So with that being said, maybe YOUR genetics has determined that you will begin to decline in test levels by your mid 20s.

When it comes to guys like Coleman or Cutler, I really think these guys have taken into account and are aware of the fact their career decision will POTENTIALLY cause permanant hypogonadalism and may have to endure HRT therapy for the duration of their lives. Then again, I am only assuming this... as I have no idea what Cutler or Coleman's cycles are and/or if they bridge or whatnot. They may do it, or they might not. Who knows.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Ofcourse they are on for live, most of them anyway...

Imo, the most importent thing(for you, if your going thrue with this) is to get on a HRT program...

Before you take the Testosterone test at the doctors office, take a shot of tren-a 2 days b/f, your T-levels score will be very low, and you will be qualified to be given test replacment for live.

i'm not sure if that is possible here in the UK
i went to the doctors last week and gave them a list of things i wanted tested and they refused - they said they were only allowed to test cholesterol, RBC's, liver and kidney function

i specifically asked for testosterone and they said no because if it did turn out to be low there was nothing they would prescibe for it............

**vitor** · 09-26-2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

i'm not sure if that is possible here in the UK
i went to the doctors last week and gave them a list of things i wanted tested and they refused - they said they were only allowed to test cholesterol, RBC's, liver and kidney function

i specifically asked for testosterone and they said no because if it did turn out to be low there was nothing they would prescibe for it............

Do you remember marcus300, ive spoken with him, and he is on test from the doc, and he lives in the uk.

I would contact him if I was you...He is banned here, but you can find him at the "ukiron" board,

anyways good luck!

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Do you remember marcus300, ive spoken with him, and he is on test from the doc, and he lives in the uk.

I would contact him if I was you...He is banned here, but you can find him at the "ukiron" board,

anyways good luck!

yeah i remember him
i'll look him up
thanks

in the mean time do we have anyone on this board who cruises?
i know Tailboxa does - i'm waiting for a response from him

anyone else?

shame pinnacle isnt here any more

**tempbrit** · 09-26-2007, 12:14 PM

I cruised for about 14 months. Kind of sort of by accident due to an injury. However, I did come off after 14 months at a dose of 200mgs. I am 40 and my sex drive dropped off a cliff when I hit 38/39 range.

I too live in the UK. I moved here from the US and have always maintained legal perscriptions while on gear. I definitely want to get a UK prescription for Test while here in the UK, so I am very interested in what you find out. I am wondering if you hit a Dr. up privately instead of NHS, can you sort out a prescription? I did that with a rash that I wanted to get some anti-biotics for that apparantly are not approved in the UK.

Good luck.

**tempbrit** · 09-26-2007, 12:15 PM

Sorry, forgot to mention that recovery from the 14 month stint was a bitch. Took some serious HCG doses (overseen by a Endocrinologist in the US) to get me back in rythm. It literally took 6 months to get back on top of things.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 12:39 PM

did u stop completely after 14months or did u go onto hrt doses?

**tempbrit** · 09-26-2007, 12:47 PM

I stopped completely. Did not want to go into HRT. Not sure that was the right move, especially considering how tough the recovery was.

You know one thing that could seriously help in the wood department is GH. Again, I am an old guy and with a bit of GH I am good to go in the Sex department.

**BOOST** · 09-26-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

are u saying u currently cruise at 200mg but wana cruise now for life on 100mg?

how old are you?

i am only 28 and the idea of having to jab for life is a bit scary

No I am saying I am on a cycle of 500mg a week, off cycle my normal test level is 200. I am 34 so it is a little low, after my cycle I would like to cruise on 100mg. A jab is a jab does not bother me.

**G-Force** · 09-26-2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by BOOST

No I am saying I am on a cycle of 500mg a week, off cycle my normal test level is 200. I am 34 so it is a little low, after my cycle I would like to cruise on 100mg. A jab is a jab does not bother me.

how long do u plan to cruise on 100mg? will u do a proper cycle again?
are you prepared to do that for the rest of your life though or do you think you will stop eventually?

**PowerHouse555** · 09-26-2007, 01:17 PM

If you do the right PCT you wont have any problems with keeping your gains or boners. PCT is way more important then on cycle

**Serotonin** · 09-26-2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by tempbrit

Sorry, forgot to mention that recovery from the 14 month stint was a bitch. Took some serious HCG doses (overseen by a Endocrinologist in the US) to get me back in rythm. It literally took 6 months to get back on top of things.

What was the regimen and dosage bro?

Also G, I have no experience cruising but I think I'd do minimal HCG injections to keep the testes active. Just my opinion though...

**goose** · 09-26-2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

i'm not sure if that is possible here in the UK
i went to the doctors last week and gave them a list of things i wanted tested and they refused - they said they were only allowed to test cholesterol, RBC's, liver and kidney function

i specifically asked for testosterone and they said no because if it did turn out to be low there was nothing they would prescibe for it............

You go here.

http://www.thedoctorltd.co.uk/

**ZaneFan** · 09-26-2007, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

personally i dont think it would be TERRIBLE for your health to stay on year round, but i mean 200 mg a week or 250 tops. if your livers suffering, stsy away from orals. ur physique is kickass as it is, and 250 mg year round, man youll only improve as long as you stick with your diet and lifting.

This is something to consider - year round. I am 45 and have spent more time on than off over the past few years. Like the above says, stay away from orals.

**BOOST** · 09-27-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

how long do u plan to cruise on 100mg? will u do a proper cycle again?
are you prepared to do that for the rest of your life though or do you think you will stop eventually?

Every year after 30 test levels drop off, if anything I am just replacing what the body does not produce anymore, so if I do it it will be for life. Hell I could do the 50mg of cream a day for life. Do I plan on future cycles, this will be my last one for a little while until shit cools off.

**G-Force** · 09-28-2007, 07:44 AM

bump

no word from Tailboxa and co.
??

**ironaddict69** · 09-28-2007, 01:56 PM

well I know tais situation, he uses about 125 mg of test per week year round, he onl uses the test for libido, he hates the gains your supposed to get and frankly i feel test is weaker to me too. He just cycles on top of it whenever he knows its safe to do so.

**G-Force** · 09-29-2007, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

well I know tais situation, he uses about 125 mg of test per week year round, he onl uses the test for libido, he hates the gains your supposed to get and frankly i feel test is weaker to me too. He just cycles on top of it whenever he knows its safe to do so.

sounds good
i may do something similar
will see how this next cycle goes first though

**Ejuicer** · 09-29-2007, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

yeah i remember him
i'll look him up
thanks

in the mean time do we have anyone on this board who cruises?
i know Tailboxa does - i'm waiting for a response from him

anyone else?

shame pinnacle isnt here any more

I cruise between cycles, typically with 5oomg cyp. I've been on for at least a year and a half i'd guess since my last break. I don't go off is because i'm it's impossible to maintain the amount of mass I have with nothing in my system and I make more consistant and steady gains this way.

**G-Force** · 09-30-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ejuicer

I cruise between cycles, typically with 5oomg cyp. I've been on for at least a year and a half i'd guess since my last break. I don't go off is because i'm it's impossible to maintain the amount of mass I have with nothing in my system and I make more consistant and steady gains this way.

wow thats a large dose to be cruising on
how long do u cruise for in between cycles?
do u get your blood work done regularly?

**canadian meat** · 09-30-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ejuicer

I cruise between cycles, typically with 5oomg cyp. I've been on for at least a year and a half i'd guess since my last break. I don't go off is because i'm it's impossible to maintain the amount of mass I have with nothing in my system and I make more consistant and steady gains this way.

Wow that def is alot to cruise with.I usually find that most are comfortable with up to 250mg a week.

**goose** · 09-30-2007, 05:24 PM

When you cruise at 500mg.Its going to be very hard to gain when you cycle.Going to have to push insane doses to get gains.Bad idea.

**Ejuicer** · 10-01-2007, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

When you cruise at 500mg.Its going to be very hard to gain when you cycle.Going to have to push insane doses to get gains.Bad idea.

I've got no problems seeing gains and the doses aren't excessively high by any means. I've seen others run much higher.
When bulking I'll push to test to about 1g, throw in other compounds like deca , eq, tren and orals. I've been doing it for quite awhile and I still see consistant gains. Dropping it down to 250mg causes me to lose more size and strength then I would prefer.
Out of curiousity, do you cruise? If so have you ever done so at 500mg to be able claim that it's a bad idea and that you would require insane doses?

**Ejuicer** · 10-01-2007, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

wow thats a large dose to be cruising on
how long do u cruise for in between cycles?
do u get your blood work done regularly?

The length of cruising can vary. I'll usually bulk for at least 4 months or so and cut for about 3-4 so i'll be crusing for about 4-5 months out of the year. I do get bloodwork done and it's always been pretty decent, I'm actually overdue for it though and should get it done soon.