Effect of steroids without weights

[Thunderlips]

Just wondering if you were to do explosive movements and bodyweight training eg, jump squats(weighted vest) , handstand pushups, chins, rope climbs, neck bridges, block pushups, one legged squats etc etc, would AS be as beneficial for one who trains this way. Or is the use of AS reserved only for those who lift the heavy iron in the gym. Focus would be on functional strength and getting hard moreso than getting bigger although this would be a welcome side effect. It is possible to increase resistance with the use of vests etc for each movement as you get stronger. Anybody else train this way?

[Lexed]

most likely bare min results

[malidfa]

you wont see much
it would prob be a waste of money

[Roidal]

Normal supp would be better for this type of activity.

[sonnygll]

It depends. If the resistance is not high enough because you are doing body weight only, that would be a problem. However weighted exercises are VERY effective. Surely everyone here has done pullups, chins, chest dips, standard p-bar dips, single leg or split squat and deadlift variations and the like.

There are a few muscles you really need dumbbells and barbells for, but most muscles can be worked quite well with weighted exercises.

But let me just reiterate, bodyweight only exercises are only effective if your bodyweight happens to provide the exact amount of resistance you need.

[Thunderlips]

Ok thanks guys.

[NorseTemplar]

That's what I've been doing for my cycle. I have gained 12 pounds (I'm in my fourth week.) and my strength is increasing at an acceptable rate. Then again, my starting stats were: 6'6" 224lbs, so I have some good resistance to do these exercises.

[BUFF1]

I Think Explosive Movements Are Gr8 And Gymnastic Type Movements 2...the Question Is What Are U Training 4?? What R Ur Goals?? U Can Incorporate That Stuff With Weight Training 4 Athletic Training...

[mickdiesel]

I disagree with everyone whom said its useless or ineffective. mma guys rage juice a lot and the smaller ones almost never use weights. and if they do use weights its small ones for very specific movements (i.e. holding a dumbell straight over your head and getting up with no hands, using a plate to work core strength,etc.) and it works very well. there is typically a lot of cardio involved in routines that do not contain weights and juice can limit the amount of waisting that occurs in those situations. so assessing gains can become difficult. because if you don't gain any weight you still can have gains, u very well possibly could have lost 20lbs doing all the cardio and calisthetics but u stayed the same. that means uve gained weight, it just doesn't say so on the scale. I'd say juice on and push harded than u ever have before, ull be a machine

[dhriscerr]

I honestly think, aas regardless of what type of workout routine you have, is going to help you out. Its all determined on your goals, think sprinters want to get bigger? Doubtful, but shit loads of them get stronger and faster with aas, also cyclist, come on, none of those guys are huge but they excel in what they do because of aas.

[dhriscerr]

Your not going to get huge, or see the results of size like you would with heavy weights, but you will see results, and will get stronger ie. harder as you put it.

[deznuts]

I read a few medical articles (I think they cam out of Italy) that compared aas users using weights and dieting with aas users continuing their normal lives. They also had placebo shots given to both groups who worked out and those who continued their normal lives. The aas users who did not workout or diet had more gains than non aas users who did work out and diet. The test was done with test e or test c I believe

[xpijeonx]

There are also lots of studies that show AAS increase lean mass in patients with wasting diseases that are pretty well bed ridden. You probably wont gain 20lbs of lean mass but yeah it depends on you goals like mentioned above.

[Amorphic]

There are also lots of studies that show AAS increase lean mass in patients with wasting diseases that are pretty well bed ridden. You probably wont gain 20lbs of lean mass but yeah it depends on you goals like mentioned above.

this is true, considering that aas are used for burn victims, aids patients etc. you will put on weight with aas, just not in the bbing sense we consider useful

[pr0digy9daniel]

I beleive that AAS will increase your lean mass doing nothing, compared to if you didnt take it and did nothing... However, your results will come much quicker with weight training. Its like those natural body builders who have the genetics, they get muscly quickly when they train but if they lazed about and ate crap they would lose most of their lean body mass... I agree its a waste of money running supraphysiological dosages without training, your gains will be so slow and you will have to be on it for so long...

[Thunderlips]

wow, thanks for all the replies and info guys. My stats are 6'5" 290lbs 29yo. My goals are to get stronger leaner and much more explosive to assist me in my sporting field.(Bjj, mma) Of all the guys I train with, it's the guys who train in this way that feel the strongest. They might not be as big or be able to lift the same weights in a controlled movement as those guys who hit the iron hard, but on the mats and in the clinch they just feel stronger. People have mentioned tendon and ligament strength and referred to it as functional strength. Hope this makes sense. What do you guys think

[Johny-too-small]

I dont like to move too much from my sofa when on cycle. The gains may not make me really hard looking, but I love the boners

[Thunderlips]

[jaysunderstudy]

Steroids despite the public perception, are merely supplements they only supplement ur regimen but nothing replaces the training. Unlike all the miracle weight loss drugs the government pushes out there that are worse for ppl than these things are. And they call us cheaters? But all those fat women do is take their little pill eat their burger king sit on their ass and lose weight....and whose the cheater now???

[perfectbeast2001]

will you get bigger - no i doubt you will see much in the way of growth due to the type of training you are doing.
will AS be beneficial then - IMO yes, they will allow you to retain and possibly gain some lean mass, they will increase strength and focus in your training.
So as long as your not expecting to look like ronnie coleman after your cycle I would say it would be worthwhile.

[ironaddict69]

yeah of course it would help, but can you explain why you dont want to use weights? is there some special circumstance?

[juicejunkie2]

What aas do you think would be the most benificial if someone is training in this fashion .. would you still suggest Test or things like Prop and var? Any suggestions?

[Thunderlips]

I guess I feel like training in the manner I have mentioned, that it is just a little more sport specific than your standard bodybuilding movements. I can definately see the benefits of movements that are oriented towards power as being helpful. I guess I have found more benefits on the mat and in the ring having trained with more explosive bodyweight movements. I want to focus more on fast twitch fibres if that makes sense, enabling me to close the distance and explode into the takedowns etc. I have lifted weights in the past but I just found the bodyweight training was more beneficial for me personally. I guess the question I was wondering was will AAS further enhance these benefits. I suppose the answer is obvious: of course they will. I was interested to know if anyone else trained like this and what further progress was made using AAS. Also what did they use while training this way?

[Thunderlips]

bump

[ironaddict69]

then lift heavy and explosively keeping reps low shouldnt put on as much mass, and mill make you stronger. Look into the strength steroids. Halo, tren, and test are good.