opinions and cycle advice..

[roidrage625]

Hey guys my sole supplier is giving up the business and i have bought what i believe will be 1 good building cycle and 1 good 'cutting' cycle. the bulking cycle is

weeks 1-3 of dbol 20mg ed
weeks 1-10 of deca 400mg ew
weeks 1-10 of test e 500mg ew
proper pct in order thanks to lion!

and the 'cutting' cycle is as follows

weeks 1-12 primobolan 100mg eod
weeks 4-12 tren a 100mg eod
weeks 4-12 winny 45mg ed
and again a proper pct


i am 23, 198 lbs, 13% bf. and i do cardio 3 or 4 days a week an hour each time.
i have done 4 moderate cycles in the past with great gains so i dont see the need for extreme usage. also which cycle would be best to use first? do you guys like to bulk then cut or vice versa? all input would be appreciated and any critique on the cycles is welcome as well! also gear is extremely hard to come by in these parts and this is all i have access to for god knows how long haha so hopefully il find someone else asap..

[Big]

I bulk then cut.
Deca should be stopped a couple weeks before test.
20mg/ed for 3 weeks of dbol is too low/too short in my opinion.
if it's oral winny I wouldn't run it for 9 weeks.

[hugovsilva]

You forgot the test in your cutting cycle. 9 weeks of tren a without any test?!!!!! Fina dick for sure.

[topnotch]

I see no test in your cutting cycle, which using tren would be a major problem imo

[Big]

^^good point guys

[topnotch]

also, might wanna be careful about mentioning you are losing your supplier...many scammers may try to pm you to fill the void there...just watch out

[roidrage625]

thanks a ton for the input guys. i assume test c or p would be the best test to run with the tren? what mg would i be shooting for? and i plan to purchase more dbol and up the dosage to 40mg ed for 5 weeks.. better? also, imagetbigger, it is oral winny and i will cut it back to 7 weeks.

[roidrage625]

also, might wanna be careful about mentioning you are losing your supplier...many scammers may try to pm you to fill the void there...just watch out

thanks for the look out man. im not worried bout scammers i would trust michael jackson with kids b4 i trusted someone i dont even know wanting my business haha

[topnotch]

thanks a ton for the input guys. i assume test c or p would be the best test to run with the tren? what mg would i be shooting for? and i plan to purchase more dbol and up the dosage to 40mg ed for 5 weeks.. better? also, imagetbigger, it is oral winny and i will cut it back to 7 weeks.

Since your running tren ace, you might as well run test prop and just shoot the two together...i'd run the prop and ace both at 75mg/day, and you can always up the tren until you reach your limit w/ the sides...just trying to watch out for ya by the way about the scammers...

[roidrage625]

cool thanx again for the advice and i will try to get ahold of some prop asap. ive had the gear for a good lil while and its 'burning a hole' in my stash spot haha! and thanx again for lookin out for us on here!

[topnotch]

no problem bro...keep us posted when you begin...

[roidrage625]

[QUOTE=topnotch]Since your running tren ace, you might as well run test prop and just shoot the two together...i'd run the prop and ace both at 75mg/day, and you can always up the tren until you reach your limit w/ the sides...just trying to watch out for ya by the way about the scammers...[/QUOTE

if for some reason i cant locate any prop would it be ok to use test e for a cutting cycle as well? would the dosage be different or stick with 75 mg ed?

[Big]

test e doesn't need to be shot ed, twice a week would be fine, and it's fine to use test e while cutting if you can't get prop

[topnotch]

you can still use a long estered test no problem...i'd just run it at 500mg/week...split that into two doses which can also be mixed w/ the tren

[roidrage625]

test e doesn't need to be shot ed, twice a week would be fine, and it's fine to use test e while cutting if you can't get prop

awesome input. i knew i loved this site for a reason! changes have been made to my cycle! always informational reguardless of experience!