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    best fat loss compound??

    what is the best compound to burn fat?

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    Hard work and discipline

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    DNP , but you just better know how to use it properly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dece870717
    DNP, but you just better know how to use it properly!
    f&*k yeah you should. straight poison, literally

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickdiesel
    f&*k yeah you should. straight poison, literally
    Doing my third run starting this Saturday, just hope my appetite suppressant saves my ass unlike the last couple times I ran it, no appetite suppressant and well I got no where with DNP in terms of fat loss.

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    DNP is the best but quite dangerous ..ID see what u could do w/cardio and some clen first thing in the morning ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuieTSToRM33
    Hard work and discipline
    Good answer.

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    stats? age, bf%? there is no easy way to lean up and no magic pill or drug other than hard work and a solid diet/training routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic
    stats? age, bf%? there is no easy way to lean up and no magic pill or drug other than hard work and a solid diet/training routine.
    I don't know about the whole no magic pill, DNP basically is that pill except you have to pay for it in sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dece870717
    I don't know about the whole no magic pill, DNP basically is that pill except you have to pay for it in sides.
    you arent supposed to spoil it like that .

    im more trying to make a point about hard work and training, but yes dnp is pretty neat stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic
    but yes dnp is pretty neat stuff.
    Pretty dangerous stuff too.

    I won't f'ck with it. Even educated on it, I wouldn't mess with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic
    you arent supposed to spoil it like that .

    im more trying to make a point about hard work and training, but yes dnp is pretty neat stuff.
    Lol sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven88
    Pretty dangerous stuff too.

    I won't f'ck with it. Even educated on it, I wouldn't mess with it.
    i'd give it a go, like all things in this forum, when its used properly the dangers can be minimized. i think more people outsiders would be worried about hpta damage than roasting on dnp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic
    i'd give it a go, like all things in this forum, when its used properly the dangers can be minimized. i think more people outsiders would be worried about hpta damage than roasting on dnp
    I think DNP 's dangerousness is a bit over exaggerated. A lot of people would even argue that DNP at a low dose would be a lot less damaging than Clen at a high dose. And a low dose of DNP would definetly beat Clen at a high dose in terms of fat loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dece870717
    I think DNP's dangerousness is a bit over exaggerated. A lot of people would even argue that DNP at a low dose would be a lot less damaging than Clen at a high dose. And a low dose of DNP would definetly beat Clen at a high dose in terms of fat loss.
    agreed, clen can be a lot worse for your bp and heart

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    Well have at it then mates, enjoy your poison.

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    its no different than someone drinking alcohol, alcohol is poison. you just have to be aware of the consequences

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    Who decides what is a drug and what is a poison, it is at the descresion of man. One reality can differ from individual to individual. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos
    Who decides what is a drug and what is a poison, it is at the descresion of man. One reality can differ from individual to individual. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. lol
    Woah no need to throw in philosophy into the picture lol.

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    sorry, me and amorphic were having a little philosophy pow-wow in the post whore thread, and I'm drinking so you fill in the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos
    sorry, me and amorphic were having a little philosophy pow-wow in the post whore thread, and I'm drinking so you fill in the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic
    its no different than someone drinking alcohol, alcohol is poison. you just have to be aware of the consequences
    You are absolutely correct.

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    its okay
    i am now paying big bucks for a nutritionist and a personal trainer. but i am not doing any cardio in my training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos
    Who decides what is a drug and what is a poison, it is at the descresion of man. One reality can differ from individual to individual. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. lol
    The chemical itself is the determinant!

    Drugs possess inherently curative or healing properties that make living organisms well/better, and are unfortunately accompanied by negative side effects.

    NOTE: "Side Effects" are those typically negative additional EFFECTS that run alongSIDE the intended positive ones.

    Poisons have inherently detrimental properties that primarily harm living organisms, and no side effects (SEE ABOVE MEANING). They are accompanied only by the negative symptoms resulting from the body's response to physiological damage.

    This is not to say that poisons can't be beneficial in some ways, and yes I understand that this sounds contradictory, but permit me to explain.

    Plain and simply, POISONS KILL!
    However, there are times when killing is what's desired and during such times poisons are your man, so to speak.
    For example:

    1. Fluoride is a poison, which is why we don't swallow it. But it helps to control the levels of harmful germs in our mouths (toothpaste & mouth rinses), and drinking water as an additive. How? By killing them. http://whqli**oc.who.int/bulletin/20...9)_670-676.pdf

    2. Chlorine is a poison, which we do swallow in minuscule amounts because it helps to control VERY dangerous water-thriving micro-organisms that cause Typhoid, Hepatitis, Cholera, etc. How? By destroying the cell structure of the organism which is to say 'killing them'. http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/L...e_residual.pdf

    3. Cytoxan, Purinethol, Elspar, Oncovin are all poisons. However they play integral roles as Chemotherapy drugs, uh oh there's that contradictory word...but what is their primary purpose? To control/kill cancer cells, so although beneficial they are still killing organisms, and thus poisons by nature. We simply employ them in doses small enough to eradicate the mutated cells without killing us. However, we still suffer in many ways from their poisonous effects a.k.a symptoms of mild to acute poisoning. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co....asp?sitearea=

    Lastly, less the compelling argument above leave you incredulous, 'The International Programme on Chemical Safety' (IPCS)
    clearly lists DNP under "Information on specific poisons".

    Why?


    Because that's what it is!
    http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications...en/index3.html
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    DNP like Chemotherapy, can be a useful poison, but both are still POISONS
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    ^ Thanks for the GREAT explaination magic32. Can not argue with that.

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    Diet And Hard Work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32
    The chemical itself is the determinant!

    Drugs possess inherently curative or healing properties that make living organisms well/better, and are unfortunately accompanied by negative side effects.

    NOTE: "Side Effects" are those typically negative additional EFFECTS that run alongSIDE the intended positive ones.

    Poisons have inherently detrimental properties that primarily harm living organisms, and no side effects (SEE ABOVE MEANING). They are accompanied only by the negative symptoms resulting from the body's response to physiological damage.

    This is not to say that poisons can't be beneficial in some ways, and yes I understand that this sounds contradictory, but permit me to explain.

    Plain and simply, POISONS KILL!
    However, there are times when killing is what's desired and during such times poisons are your man, so to speak.
    For example:

    Fluoride is a poison, which is why we don't swallow it. But it helps to control the levels of harmful germs in our mouths (toothpaste & mouth rinses), and drinking water as an additive. How? By killing them. http://whqli**oc.who.int/bulletin/20...9)_670-676.pdf


    Chlorine is a poison, which we do swallow in minuscule amounts because it helps to control VERY dangerous water-thriving micro-organisms that cause Typhoid, Hepatitis, Cholera, etc. How? By destroying the cell structure of the organism which is to say 'killing them'. http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/L...e_residual.pdf


    Cytoxan, Purinethol, Elspar, Oncovin are all poisons. However they play integral roles as Chemotherapy drugs, uh oh there's that contradictory word...but what is their primary purpose? To control/kill cancer cells, so although beneficial they are still killing organisms, and thus poisons by nature. We simply employ them in doses small enough to eradicate the mutated cells without killing us. However, we still suffer in many ways from their poisonous effects a.k.a symptoms of mild to acute poisoning. http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co....asp?sitearea=
    Lastly, less the compelling argument above leave you incredulous, 'The International Programme on Chemical Safety' (IPCS)
    clearly lists DNP under "Information on specific poisons".

    Why?

    Because that's what it is!
    http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications...en/index3.html
    good post again magic, kratos' comment was just a joke though because him and i were rambling on about philosophy in the whorethread.

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    I was just trying to make amorphic giggle like a school girl, I saw he was posting in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL
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    seconded.............
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    You could try PGCL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juice08
    You could try PGCL
    wow i hope you arent serious. that stuff is not for just anyone.

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    prostoglandins are more for localized fat loss and for building certain sites. the side effects, cramps, diherria, etc make it pretty hard to handle, not to mention how it is a relatively new compound and little have any experience with it.

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    not to mention it basically flushes out your body every few hours, before your body can absorb any nutrients. not a heathy way to lose weight at all

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    trying to live life in between rides on the toilet is no way to live at all

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    it's a must to put a tv + dvd speler into the toilet when you are on pgcl...makes life much easier

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    Lol if your gonna go with PGCL why not do a PGCL/DNP /Tren run. Now that would shed some serious fat off you and fast as hell, not to mention it also will be hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dece870717
    Lol if your gonna go with PGCL why not do a PGCL/DNP/Tren run. Now that would shed some serious fat off you and fast as hell, not to mention it also will be hell!
    dont put any crazy ideas into anyones head

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    clen ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullenium
    clen?
    we've been over that. clen works for some and not for others, you have to watch your bp and heartrate on it. it didnt do much for me.

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    whats this DNB stuff?

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