Really bad sides from nolva/aromasin Please Help

[Boostedsupra1578]

ok ive been running 25mg of nolva and aromasin for the past week to try and get functioning again.a day or two after starting the pct i was fine.but from then on ive been waking up with some weirder than normal sides.my eyes and eye sockets hurt,my back aches,i get hot and cold flashes,slight headache,weakness,and overall unwell feeling.its been day 4 like this and ive been on the pct for a week now.could i just be getting some sort of weird sickness or is this related.ive ran nolva before and dont remember any sides like this but this is the first time running aromasin.any ideas?i really need to continue this out to 4 weeks to work again but im just a little worried.i also have caber i just picked up and wanted to start .25mg every 4th day too.should i just do that instead.my main issue is just keeping my wood up and if caber alone will do it im all about it to avoid these sides.please help.thanks

[Raven88]

my main issue is just keeping my wood up and if caber alone will do it im all about it to avoid these sides.please help.thanks

Sorry mate, but your main concern PCT should be recovering your HPTA, not maintaining an erection. That's what cialis is for.

I don't use nolva or aromasin for PCT, so I don't know what to tell you.

GL.

[Amorphic]

caber is just an anti prolactin, your main focus using aromasin/nolva is boosting your test levels. the eyesight problems and hot/cold flashes i have heard of occuring with clomid but not aromasin/nolva.

awaiting further imput

[Kratos]

try lowering the aromasin to like 10-15mg
joint pain could be from super low estrogen

[thegodfather]

caber is just an anti prolactin, your main focus using aromasin/nolva is boosting your test levels. the eyesight problems and hot/cold flashes i have heard of occuring with clomid but not aromasin/nolva.

awaiting further imput

Yes, there have been incidences of retinal detachment, and ocular sludging in the veins due to Nolvadex. This has been documented in studies, I can pull them up if you like, mostly from women being treated for breast cancer. However, eye problems are much more pronounced with Clomid.

[Boostedsupra1578]

ok thanks.well my test levels returned high in my bloodwork.im just having trouble maintaining and erection.once its up it doesnt wanna stay up for long.i was told caber would help this.so should i just stick with caber now and discontinue the pct to see if this helps

[gooer]

yeah i'm pretty sure it's the aromasin, this has happened me before. i got really sick when i started pct with it.. i couldn't even lift, but it only lasted a week tops, probably like 4 days.

[Raven88]

ok thanks.well my test levels returned high in my bloodwork.im just having trouble maintaining and erection.once its up it doesnt wanna stay up for long.i was told caber would help this.so should i just stick with caber now and discontinue the pct to see if this helps

I would recommend ED tablets in this case.

[Boostedsupra1578]

yeah im just so confused at this point.i was told to run the nolva/aromasin for 4 weeks and the caber.then to not run the nolva.so i dont know what to do.should i just run the caber or the caber and aromasin at this point.and raven what should i run ed tabs of?the caber cuz i was told small doses go long ways.

[Amorphic]

remember that caber is an anti prolactin, it has the side effect of helping with decreasing the male refracatory peroid but not helping achieve an erection. like raven88 said, some viagra or cialis is a safer option

[Boostedsupra1578]

yeah i understand the cialis would help but ive tried it.it does help but my problem is keeping it up.i can get it up but it doesnt wanna stay up long enough to please my girl.thats why i was told it could be a prolactin issue and to try the caber.the cialis has just been working as a bandaid and doesnt even fully work.im hoping the caber works cuz i sure as hell dont wanna have this as a permanent problem or get stuck taking cialis forever

[Boostedsupra1578]

oh and one thing u guys need to realize that was mentioned in my other posts but not this one is that ive been off my cycle for over 8 weeks with the dick issues.i only ran a nolva/clomid cycle for just under 2 weeks thats why now im rerunning a pct.so its not like im running it to get my levels back at this point im running it to figure out my erection issues which i was told was probably prolactin at this point in time and being that my blood work showed my test levels to be a little high and rbc a little high but everything else was right on.

[Amorphic]

give the caber a try. remember it can take up to 6 months to get all levels returned to normal and have your sex drive/erections functioning properly

[Boostedsupra1578]

alrighty il give it a try.i sure as hell hope i see something sooner than 6 months.i have a new girl who is ready to strangle me and i dont know how long shes gonna be able to put up with this shit.In what case is it to late?i mean when have u heard of permanent damage being done and not being able to get it up?and could this happen to me being 8 weeks out and just using cialis to try and help it out?i sure hope the caber can be used a long time down the road and work cuz this is really my last hope

[Amorphic]

dont get down on yourself mentally either, that can also have a damaging effect to your libido. confidence man!

[fred9]

your aromasin sounds like viagra to me...get the exact same eye thing when im using viagra

[J*U*icEd]

bro don't drop the nolva and aromasin... DO NOT DROP YOUR PCT!!... u think you have libido problems now u just wait and see if you don't finish ur PCT.... keep ur PCT going and just lower the aromasin dosage like kratos said.... PCT is the most important part of ur cycle.... i haven't heard of the eye thing before with aromasin, but with clomid... lowering the aromasin dosage should help things out... and keep up with the PCT!!

[Boostedsupra1578]

ok cool.yeah amorphic il def take ur advice on staying confident its just hard when its such an issue.but thanks man.i didnt take my pct last night for the first time and i already have less sides and aches.its gonna be hard going back on but if u say itll do the trick with lower dosages il give it a try.i just wasnt sure it was completely necessary being that my test levels are naturally coming back to normal from being over 8 weeks out without a proper pct.so heres what il try lmk if u guys agree. 15mg nolva/aromasin ed for 4 weeks and caber .25mg every 4th day.hopefully everyone will agree on that being ok and if not what should i do differently.oh and juiced can my can libido possibly get any lower.ive been having huge issues for roughly 12 weeks now and just figured at this point caber was the trick and not so much the pct levels

[Atomini]

What cycle did you come off of? What compounds were you using?

[Boostedsupra1578]

i came off a test/tren cycle at 100mg ed for 8 weeks.it was supposed to be longer but my girl was getting pissy with me to come off once i started getting the dick sides.i started at 50mg tren at first and wasnt seeing results so by week 3 i bumped it to 100 and got the results but also the libido loss and cant keep it up issues

[Atomini]

Oh ok, I was wondering why you were going to use Caber and that explains it.

Damn, all this crap i'm hearing about dick issues with 19-nors is making me not want to EVER use any 19-nors at all.

[Boostedsupra1578]

yeah man it sucks.it was my first time using them and might be my last.i figured stacking as much test with the tren wouldve allowed me to at least not have these issues.boy was i wrong.

[J*U*icEd]

ok cool.yeah amorphic il def take ur advice on staying confident its just hard when its such an issue.but thanks man.i didnt take my pct last night for the first time and i already have less sides and aches.its gonna be hard going back on but if u say itll do the trick with lower dosages il give it a try.i just wasnt sure it was completely necessary being that my test levels are naturally coming back to normal from being over 8 weeks out without a proper pct.so heres what il try lmk if u guys agree. 15mg nolva/aromasin ed for 4 weeks and caber .25mg every 4th day.hopefully everyone will agree on that being ok and if not what should i do differently.oh and juiced can my can libido possibly get any lower.ive been having huge issues for roughly 12 weeks now and just figured at this point caber was the trick and not so much the pct levels

PCT is the most important thing to get your test levels and libido back.... and are you 8 weeks past the end of your PCT or are you still in PCT but you just didn't take it for one day.... cause your post is kinda contradictory... i thought you were a couple days into PCT... but it says "i just wasnt sure it was completely necessary being that my test levels are naturally coming back to normal from being over 8 weeks out without a proper pct."... so im alittle confused here.... but yes PCT is most important!!

[Boostedsupra1578]

hey juiced.yeah sorry if its unclear.i have 3 different post with different info on slightly different things.ive been done my cycle for over 8 weeks and two weeks after the cycle i ran nolva/clomid for a week and a half and stopped like a moron because i went on a trip and forgot it.since then i havent taken anything til a few days ago.so for roughly 12 weeks i havent been right.a couple weeks before i ended my cycle i had issues all the way til now.so that pct was pretty much nothing.so i asked some opinions and was told to rerun a pct of nolva/aromasin which is what i started on sat 8/20.just yesterday was the only day i didnt take anything since i was feeling so bad.i did take .25mg of cabergoline though cuz i was told to do that as well.so really im rerunning a pct 8 weeks after it shoulda been done.thats why i wasnt sure if the pct was necessary at this time and maybe just the caberline would do figuring it was prolactin related.thats why im so freaked about permanent damage and just want the stuff to work sooner than later

[Raven88]

Stick to the game plan. After an additional 4+ weeks of what you are doing now and things are still in a down-trodden state, I would get some BW and seek out an endo for a proper diagnosis of what your problem really is.

Best of luck.

[Boostedsupra1578]

ok raven so il stick to 15mg nolva/aromasin and .25 caber for the time being then correct?I'l keep running caber after the 4 weeks i guess too and see if that helps.yeah and if it doesnt work im def heading to a doc.can they usually find the problem and reverse this effect or could this be permanent damage.(sorry i keep asking that question but it scares the shit outta me and i havent really gotten a definitive answer on that yet)

[J*U*icEd]

even if you didn't run a PCT at all your body would eventually return back to normal and start producing testosterone on it's own, PCT is used to help get your body to start producing it's own endogenous testosterone a hell of alot quicker... and even after proper PCT things aren't going to be back to normal as soon as you stop PCT... it's gonna take alittle bit of time for you to feel totally normal and get things back to the way they were before you were cycling.... im pretty sure you didn't do any permenant damage, but just make sure you finish ur recently started PCT and give it 2-3 weeks after that before you start worryin... if things aren't back to normal by then you might wana go to an endocrinologist... but you should be fine... give it time my man, give it time... you fvcked things up wit PCT in the begining but they can be fixed... just give it some time.... get bloodwork done now and then bloodwork done about 2 weeks after PCT is over wit... good luck bro!

[Boostedsupra1578]

alright man i appreciate all the help.it just scares the hell outta me when i think about permanent damage.but il stick with it and keep yas posted.once again i appreciate all the help.thanks bros

[sorel_C]

sounds like your estro is way too low,, lower your aromasinn dose,, or switch to an every other day aproach

[Boostedsupra1578]

ok il def do that.is it still wise to run both the nolva at 20mg and the aromasin at say 12.5mg with the .25mg or caber every 4th day.i just wanna make sure theyre all still necessary if my estrogen level is that low.cuz i think ur right about that being my whole body aches like hell and i feel like shit just a couple days after i started the aromasin

[Amorphic]

yeah estrogen is required for proper body function. lots of people report huge pain and aches while running letro on cycle for example, due to the extreme low levels of estrogen.

pct is just another way of changing the balance of the testosterone/estrogen balance, you have to make sure it doesnt go too extreme.

[fsu1985]

now i dont feel crazy- i f'n hate tren. the same thing happened to me last year when i was taking tren. i was taking it and i swear i couldn't get a hard on to save the life of me. i do not like that drug because of of the ed. my docter checked me after about a month of being natural and my prolactin levels were very very high. he gave me something to lower the levels but i never got the script filled and im fine now. viagra saves lives bro.