How much fat could one destroy with this?

**Atomini** · 10-18-2007, 08:31 PM

I understand results differ for everyone, but i'm planning an 8 week cutting cycle down the road. I don't plan on doing it for a while, so i'm trying to get some ideas to plan this.

- Masteron Propionate @ 100mg every other day (400mg/week in total)
- T3 @ 120mcg every day
- Clen @ 120 mcg every day
- Low intensity cardio, 30-45mins a day
- Calorie restricted diet

(everything run for 8 weeks)

This is something I just threw together in my head just now. I should probably add some test to that as well. But in general, how much % of bodyfat could one shed in 8 weeks with this?

I'm open to any other ideas, seeing as though I probably won't be doing this for AT LEAST 6 months from now.

**ACAZORES** · 10-18-2007, 08:38 PM

I will do something like this too, what can we expect of fat burn?

**J*U*icEd** · 10-18-2007, 08:43 PM

sorry can't help you here, never done any of those 3 compounds... bump for other member opinions and experiences....

**305GUY** · 10-18-2007, 08:44 PM

it greatly depends on your diet and then your training intensity. The compounds are just the icing on the cake. I would definitely throw in some prop with your mast since your injecting eod anyways. post your diet up for a better analysis.

**305GUY** · 10-18-2007, 08:46 PM

and your t3 dose seems a little high for me. I react better to t3 at 50mcg for 6 weeks than the whole ramping up to 100mcg and back down but thats just me. im not a big fan of clen , i prefer ecy.

**Atomini** · 10-18-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by 305GUY

and your t3 dose seems a little high for me. I react better to t3 at 50mcg for 6 weeks than the whole ramping up to 100mcg and back down but thats just me. im not a big fan of clen, i prefer ecy.

Dude I used 200mcg/day of T3 about 3 months ago with NO AAS and I didn't get any muscle loss, lmfao. Maybe it was underdosed, but I seriously didn't see any muscle loss.

**spywizard** · 10-18-2007, 08:59 PM

clen is 2 weeks on 2 weeks off..

depends on the protein to carbs, you can be very strict since your cardio will be moderate..

**305GUY** · 10-18-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Dude I used 200mcg/day of T3 about 3 months ago with NO AAS and I didn't get any muscle loss, lmfao. Maybe it was underdosed, but I seriously didn't see any muscle loss.

wow 200mcg of t3 is pretty crazy. Im sure it was research chem? The best T3 i ever ran was Berlin Chemie. That shit was awesome and i couldnt imagine going over 100mcgs with it. Pharm grade T3 is the way to go.

**Atomini** · 10-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Yeah it was Lion's T3. I'm not going to go with research grade T3 anymore since you never know really what your dosage is. Could be slightly under, or could be slightly over. I still have some left over though, so I will use that.

Also I may just use the Masteron on it's own. Sex drive wont get killed with Masteron only, so i'm not worried there. PCT should be simple since Masteron isn't a highly suppressive compound. This sounds good, but i'd like to know what else I can tweak in terms of the compounds used.

**longhorn814** · 10-19-2007, 07:06 AM

what is your bodyfat at? Masteron is a great hardening compound but its results are really noticeable unless you bodyfat is around 10% or less..I would suggest interval cardio too for fat burning instead of low intensity, long duration cardio..just my .02

**Atomini** · 10-19-2007, 08:25 AM

I'm at 16% just 2 weeks away from ending this bulking cycle. I honestly don't care if I can't see Masteron 's hardening effects. My goal in using it is to preserve muscle mass from the caloric deficit as well as the T3.

**Unoid** · 10-20-2007, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

what is your bodyfat at? Masteron is a great hardening compound but its results are really noticeable unless you bodyfat is around 10% or less..I would suggest interval cardio too for fat burning instead of low intensity, long duration cardio..just my .02

Are you saying that about masteron because you tested it yourself above and below 10% or because its what you read from what others have read?

**shayne77** · 10-20-2007, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

clen is 2 weeks on 2 weeks off..

I thought the thinking has changed now and people are running it longer.

**monkeybizniz** · 10-20-2007, 01:07 AM

it has changed. it used to be that because of how fast your body's tolerance to clen builds up you need to take a break after a few weeks. also, you have ramp up your mcgs weekly(i.e. 40mcgs/day-week1, 80mcgs/day-week2, 160mcgs/day-week3)....during that break is where i used to run my t3 for 3 weeks....then i'd start my clen again. now you can just run benedryl at night every night on your third week and you just start at you lowest dosage again for the fourth week an repeat the ramping. i personally have run clen for 9 weeks straight and decreased 7% bf.

**Ejuicer** · 10-20-2007, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I understand results differ for everyone, but i'm planning an 8 week cutting cycle down the road. I don't plan on doing it for a while, so i'm trying to get some ideas to plan this.

- Masteron Propionate @ 100mg every other day (400mg/week in total)
- T3 @ 120mcg every day
- Clen @ 120 mcg every day
- Low intensity cardio, 30-45mins a day
- Calorie restricted diet

(everything run for 8 weeks)

This is something I just threw together in my head just now. I should probably add some test to that as well. But in general, how much % of bodyfat could one shed in 8 weeks with this?

I'm open to any other ideas, seeing as though I probably won't be doing this for AT LEAST 6 months from now.

I've used that cycle with different dosages and the addition of prop and benadryl/ketotifen. With diet on the right track you could lose a considerable amount of bf with that cycle. It's not exactly possible to give exact numbers but it would be an effective cutting cycle, just make sure the protein is kept high.

**Ejuicer** · 10-20-2007, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by shayne77

I thought the thinking has changed now and people are running it longer.

There's no thinking to really be changed. If you run clen by itself you will see and feel a noticeable decrease in effectiveness. Added benadryl or ketotifen will allow you to run it much longer in duration without having to take any off periods.

**Atomini** · 10-20-2007, 09:33 AM

I'm planning on running it with ketotifen so that I can use it constantly as I have always done.

When you say keep protein high, what is the 'high' range when cutting? I've attempted to maintain about 300-400grams of protein on a cut (with very low carbs) and I didn't respond well to that. On another cut down the road, I reduced it to about 200grams of protein and I started seeing better results.

**pr0digy9daniel** · 10-20-2007, 04:18 PM

T3 dose is ok, and I run it myself, it can be run up to 150mcg, sometimes higher... But I wouldnt recommend running it for 8 weeks, 3-4 weeks seems better for your thyroid, ramping it up and down also... I use it myself and it really is powerful stuff... 2 weeks and ive lost 14 pounds... first week ramp up to 100mcg, second week, 125mcg...

**pr0digy9daniel** · 10-20-2007, 04:19 PM

Some people cycle between T3 and clen , 2 weeks T3, followed by 2 weeks clen, and so on. That way, you dont get declining returns...

**longhorn814** · 10-20-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Unoid

Are you saying that about masteron because you tested it yourself above and below 10% or because its what you read from what others have read?

ive ran masteron with higher bodyfat before and didnt notice much..my last cycle i was a lot leaner and I noticed a lot better results..crazy vascularity, hardness and definition