cycle advise for speed athletes

[Montgomery]

Hey all,

Looking to take my sprinting to the next level. I'm 23 and run the 60m indoors and the 100m and 200m outdoors. Looking for advice on cycles for sprinters. I'm 195lbs, 6'1" and about 12% bodyfat. I'm a little heavy for a sprinter but I'm powerful. My goals are to

1. Increase strength
2. Increase twitch speed
3. Lean out a little
4. Keep mass gains relatively low

I've heard of track atheletes doing almost anything under the sun, but I'm looking for succinct answers here about what kinds of compounds are ideal for any (or all) of my above goals.

Thanks so much for your help boys!

Montgomery

[Montgomery]

Hey all,

Looking to take my sprinting to the next level. I'm 23 and run the 60m indoors and the 100m and 200m outdoors. Looking for advice on cycles for sprinters. I'm 195lbs, 6'1" and about 12% bodyfat. I'm a little heavy for a sprinter but I'm powerful. My goals are to

1. Increase strength
2. Increase twitch speed
3. Lean out a little
4. Keep mass gains relatively low

I've heard of track atheletes doing almost anything under the sun, but I'm looking for succinct answers here about what kinds of compounds are ideal for any (or all) of my above goals.

Thanks so much for your help boys!

Montgomery

[Montgomery]

In particular, is tren a good choice for speed atheletes?

[3bd]

In particular, is tren a good choice for speed atheletes?

no. tren is not good for endurance activities.

go do some research.

[Big]

duplicate threads
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=318604

[3bd]

just from doing a bit of research...

"Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many."

[Montgomery]

Yeah I knew that, thank you. But the 200m is anaerobic activity. You need very little endurance, just strength and speed. If I was an 800m+ runner I wouldn't entertain tren. Furthermore, I know several atheletes who run tren in the off season to increase strength and speed, then recover for the season. Did you even read my question or just the title of the thread?

[Montgomery]

just from doing a bit of research...

"Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many."

Yes I read the tren profile too, thanks. You're making an ass of yoruself assuming I didn't do any research, when it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about. You don't need speed endurance for SHORT SPRINTS!!! Also, there are 12 months in a year and one season is only 4 months (indoor or outdoor). Lots of time to focus on strenght and speed in the off-season then refine some endurance later in preparation for the season.

[Montgomery]

Does anybody else have any experience in this area?

[3bd]

Yes I read the tren profile too, thanks. You're making an ass of yoruself assuming I didn't do any research, when it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about. You don't need speed endurance for SHORT SPRINTS!!! Also, there are 12 months in a year and one season is only 4 months (indoor or outdoor). Lots of time to focus on strenght and speed in the off-season then refine some endurance later in preparation for the season.

my apologies... i'm not a sprinter and never have been. you are right, i just assumed that the overall negative cardio effects of tren would not be for you. i'm still not sure that it is, even if you know other sprinters who have used it, but a more experinced vet will come along soon to address your concerns more appropriately.

[Big]

I don't think we have many sprinters here, just bump your post every few hours to keep it up and see what kind of input you get after a bit of time.

[JasonR]

test 150-200mg per week- prop\suspension only (if ur tested)
some tbol\var 30\50mg
Tamoxifen 5mg ED during cycle

you can cruise with the test and go on\off with the orals or you can run a traditional cycle 10-14 weeks aimed at increasing acceleration and top speed.

there are no major meets in any federation in the next 2 months as far as im concerned so its your chance to give a little boost to your training

dont do a high dose of test or orals, trust me.. ull put on too much weight and be slower. 100%.

[Montgomery]

test 150-200mg per week- prop\suspension only (if ur tested)
some tbol\var 30\50mg
Tamoxifen 5mg ED during cycle

you can cruise with the test and go on\off with the orals or you can run a traditional cycle 10-14 weeks aimed at increasing acceleration and top speed.

there are no major meets in any federation in the next 2 months as far as im concerned so its your chance to give a little boost to your training

dont do a high dose of test or orals, trust me.. ull put on too much weight and be slower. 100%.

Right on thanks JasonR. Wow 200mg/week is not very much at all. And 5mg tamoxifen is not much either. I'm glad to hear that's effective though - the lower the dose the better.

[Kratos]

I still haven't got my enduro back from my last course of tren, and about to start my next.

Go with low test + mast or mdht or anavar or ?

[JasonR]

Yeath its not a lot at all- for a bodybuilder (who needs alot of mass and 20-40lbs gains in a cycle)

You need hardness recovery, fat loss aid, aggression and strength enhancers.

research shows that 5-10mg of tamoxifen is more than enough.

thats why you NEVER see pro sprinters on alot of gear. just some lame oral at low dose.

If you wanna get serious add peptide hormones like IGF-1 to the mix.

[NOZ]

Dwain Chambers was on alot of gear

[Montgomery]

Sounds good bud. Anyone else with some cycle advice? I know some sprinters on HGH, but I know it's not a drug famous for serious strength gains and it can cause stiffness. I don't know why they do it - is it just because it's undetectable? I also know a guy who is Type 1 diabetic. Is there any way he can use insulin to his advantage, or is that mostly just a mass building compound?

Thanks again for all the help, keep the advice coming!

Montgomery

[Baron]

Gh is one of the best things to run if ur an athlete imo. Load of benefits, and undetectable yeah.

[Consistency]

I'd look into IGF LR3 and var

[Ashop]

Hey all,

Looking to take my sprinting to the next level. I'm 23 and run the 60m indoors and the 100m and 200m outdoors. Looking for advice on cycles for sprinters. I'm 195lbs, 6'1" and about 12% bodyfat. I'm a little heavy for a sprinter but I'm powerful. My goals are to

1. Increase strength
2. Increase twitch speed
3. Lean out a little
4. Keep mass gains relatively low

I've heard of track atheletes doing almost anything under the sun, but I'm looking for succinct answers here about what kinds of compounds are ideal for any (or all) of my above goals.

Thanks so much for your help boys!

Montgomery

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[rock75]

don't want to start a huge debate, but ethically you don't see something wrong with "cheating" against your fellow competitor's - I mean if somebody started before the gun and he won; you would question and challenge the finish right?

[Consistency]

don't want to start a huge debate, but ethically you don't see something wrong with "cheating" against your fellow competitor's - I mean if somebody started before the gun and he won; you would question and challenge the finish right?

arent we all "cheating" i mean this is a steroid message board

[Montgomery]

Gh is one of the best things to run if ur an athlete imo. Load of benefits, and undetectable yeah.

Hey Baron, what kind of benefits are you talking about. I've heard that it can increase healing speed, strenghten tendons, and of course increase strength a little. I've also heard it can make you really stiff though. Any other anectodal evidence or sides?

[Montgomery]

don't want to start a huge debate, but ethically you don't see something wrong with "cheating" against your fellow competitor's - I mean if somebody started before the gun and he won; you would question and challenge the finish right?

To be honest, I do have an ethical issue with using banned substances. I suppose I just have a bigger problem with kissing my scholarship and my future in track and field goodbye because the athelets in lanes 1-7 juiced and I got left in the blocks in lane 8.

Furthermore, the only reason steroids are banned is they WORK. There are hundreds of other compound stacks containing substances that are not banned, and numberous other recovery/body maintenance techniques that are not banned, yet all these have been emperically demonstrated to have effects on body biochemistry and/or hormone levels, muscle and tendon strength, muscle twitch speed and flexibility, etc.
Eg., creatine, trib, ZMA, IMS, ART, etc.
Somehow the line is arbitrarily drawn between the substances that work and the substances that really work.

I believe you only have the right to comment on this thread if you can answer yes to ALL of the following questions. Otherwise, you are entitled to your opinion but you haven't got a clue about the types of decisions some atheletes have to make.

Are you an elite athelete?
Do you have the potential to medal at a world championship/olypmics if and only if you take advantage of all available resources? (just like every other athelete at the olympics)
Do you have scholarship money riding on your athletics success?
Does the continuation of your post-secondary career depend on that funding?
Do you find it difficult to watch your teammates and competitors run past you due to their pharmacological regimens?

[akaz13]

Eg., creatine, trib, ZMA, IMS, ART, etc.
Somehow the line is arbitrarily drawn between the substances that work and the substances that really work.

As in tribulus terrestris?

If so, is there real evidence that it increases test? I know not on a level of AAS, but I am asking b/c, based on your posts, you seem to educated and in the know on what may have an impact since, literally, it can be counted in wins and losses.

[sphincter]

Are you an elite athelete?
Do you have the potential to medal at a world championship/olypmics if and only if you take advantage of all available resources? (just like every other athelete at the olympics)
Do you have scholarship money riding on your athletics success?
Does the continuation of your post-secondary career depend on that funding?
Do you find it difficult to watch your teammates and competitors run past you due to their pharmacological regimens?

IMO, these are the only reasons I support college atheletes in using steroids. the elite guys who have a shot at acareer are already going to be using to increase their shot as they should but if you're some schmoe who barely made the team and have no real shot at making the big show, there's no point IMO..

I am with the other guys in recommending:

low dose test prop/susp for testing purposes, they clear out quick
maybe Var
IGF-1 and/or HGH

You'll get good gains with your training, minimal mass gains, and increased recovery times so you can push harder more frequently to really move into the next level.

[Renesis]

Well if we are talking about banned substances in the USA for the NCAA creatine is banned >< idk how it works over there for you in canada.

[BlueCollar24]

Creatine is banned? Where have you seen that?

[Baron]

I think what he meant was that they basically try to ban everything they can.

[Montgomery]

Well if we are talking about banned substances in the USA for the NCAA creatine is banned >< idk how it works over there for you in canada.

As far as I know, creatine is not banned in Canada.

[Montgomery]

As in tribulus terrestris?

If so, is there real evidence that it increases test? I know not on a level of AAS, but I am asking b/c, based on your posts, you seem to educated and in the know on what may have an impact since, literally, it can be counted in wins and losses.

To be honest, I haven't read anything that can quantify the effects of tribulus in terms of biochemical changes (which doesn't mean they don't occur, just that it's difficult to tell how much things change). However, I certainly notice that my libido gets a push and I'm more aggressvie. I can get more pumped up in the blocks and I feel more aggressive tearing down the track. Like I said, though, the results haven't been quantified, nor could I tell you how many 10th's it shaved off my times. Maybe it's just placebo effect, but to be honest I don't care haha; it seems to work eithe way. I would recommend trying it though. It's pretty cheap and quite safe.

[rock75]

arent we all "cheating" i mean this is a steroid message board

yeah but most are not competing against other athlete's and trying to gain that competitive edge - it is not a level playing field.

If runner "A" is faster than runner "B," runner "B" has to cheat or use steroids to beat runner "A" - where is the glory in that?

[Consistency]

im still surprised more people arent reccomending IGF

[rock75]

To be honest, I do have an ethical issue with using banned substances. I suppose I just have a bigger problem with kissing my scholarship and my future in track and field goodbye because the athelets in lanes 1-7 juiced and I got left in the blocks in lane 8.

Furthermore, the only reason steroids are banned is they WORK. There are hundreds of other compound stacks containing substances that are not banned, and numberous other recovery/body maintenance techniques that are not banned, yet all these have been emperically demonstrated to have effects on body biochemistry and/or hormone levels, muscle and tendon strength, muscle twitch speed and flexibility, etc.
Eg., creatine, trib, ZMA, IMS, ART, etc.
Somehow the line is arbitrarily drawn between the substances that work and the substances that really work.

I believe you only have the right to comment on this thread if you can answer yes to ALL of the following questions. Otherwise, you are entitled to your opinion but you haven't got a clue about the types of decisions some atheletes have to make.

Are you an elite athelete?
Do you have the potential to medal at a world championship/olypmics if and only if you take advantage of all available resources? (just like every other athelete at the olympics)
Do you have scholarship money riding on your athletics success?
Does the continuation of your post-secondary career depend on that funding?
Do you find it difficult to watch your teammates and competitors run past you due to their pharmacological regimens?

"Everyone is doing it so I might as well too" - if that is the case than ask your teammates what they are doing - shouldn't be to difficult since you know they are doing steroids and after all they are your teammates.

I believe I have a right to comment on this because it is an open forum and my the first amendment gives me the right.

Now, my question is - when you get caught cutting .40 of second off of your time and you get tested, which you will, and your scholarship gets yanked away, you get kicked out of college, you have to tell your family you "cheated" and used steroids and any chances of "turning pro" - Will that matter to you, will you be able to sleep at night?

Have you watched any of the news lately with Olympic runner's losing their gold medals and being banned from competition?

[buckeyefootball4]

Hey all,

Looking to take my sprinting to the next level. I'm 23 and run the 60m indoors and the 100m and 200m outdoors. Looking for advice on cycles for sprinters. I'm 195lbs, 6'1" and about 12% bodyfat. I'm a little heavy for a sprinter but I'm powerful. My goals are to

1. Increase strength
2. Increase twitch speed
3. Lean out a little
4. Keep mass gains relatively low

I've heard of track atheletes doing almost anything under the sun, but I'm looking for succinct answers here about what kinds of compounds are ideal for any (or all) of my above goals.

Thanks so much for your help boys!

Montgomery

hey bro give this a try:

test prop: 200mg per week
tren ace: 150mg per week
winstrol: 30-40mg per day OR
halo 30mg on high days

inseason:
tbol 20-30mg

at these lower amounts you will have zero problems with your endurance.

[Montgomery]

hey bro give this a try:

test prop: 200mg per week
tren ace: 150mg per week
winstrol: 30-40mg per day OR
halo 30mg on high days

inseason:
tbol 20-30mg

at these lower amounts you will have zero problems with your endurance.

Thanks buddy, that's good advice. I'm thinking something along those lines.

[Montgomery]

"Everyone is doing it so I might as well too" - if that is the case than ask your teammates what they are doing - shouldn't be to difficult since you know they are doing steroids and after all they are your teammates.

I believe I have a right to comment on this because it is an open forum and my the first amendment gives me the right.

Now, my question is - when you get caught cutting .40 of second off of your time and you get tested, which you will, and your scholarship gets yanked away, you get kicked out of college, you have to tell your family you "cheated" and used steroids and any chances of "turning pro" - Will that matter to you, will you be able to sleep at night?

Have you watched any of the news lately with Olympic runner's losing their gold medals and being banned from competition?

I'll never take you seriously again. You have a right to comment on it, that's for sure, but does anybody who chose to read this thread, one on cycles for sprinters, care at all about what you are saying? Are you a martyr because your ill-advised message might reach someone? Not only are your comments counterproductive, each one reveals more of your ignorance than the last. The sprinters who got caught in the BALCO scam CONFESSED!! And no medals have been stripped yet. So you're way off there.
Need I continue? Of course I've talked to my teammates and coaches about this. I'm simply asking for more advice from those who know about this. Apparently at the price of listening to the verbal diarrhea of losers.
Lastly, the chances of me being tested in the offseason are 0. I'm not a carded athelete (which in Canada is next to impossible - no funding is spend on athletics here). During the season I may be tested, but I'll be clean by then.

[akaz13]

I am not on the moral side of all this. In fact, as a serious follower of sports, I am increasingly becoming aware that to participate in certain sports (sprinting and cycling, at least) an athlete has to use to be on a level playing field.

Anyone on this board has used, or is thinking of using (me), so I don't get the guilt trip...

Boards like this (because of the anonymity) point out how prevalent using is. I am lifetime drug free to this point, but looking back, I knew guys who were using (I didn't now at the time). I am thinking of using now because, like you, I am wondering where I would be if I used the 'supps' other people are making available to themselves.

Of course I've talked to my teammates and coaches about this.

Anyway, so your coaches (especially coaches) and teammates are right out in the open with using?

[Montgomery]

I am not on the moral side of all this. In fact, as a serious follower of sports, I am increasingly becoming aware that to participate in certain sports (sprinting and cycling, at least) an athlete has to use to be on a level playing field.

Anyone on this board has used, or is thinking of using (me), so I don't get the guilt trip...

Boards like this (because of the anonymity) point out how prevalent using is. I am lifetime drug free to this point, but looking back, I knew guys who were using (I didn't now at the time). I am thinking of using now because, like you, I am wondering where I would be if I used the 'supps' other people are making available to themselves.



Anyway, so your coaches (especially coaches) and teammates are right out in the open with using?

Certainly not right out in the open. It's an open conversation between myself and a few other ahteletes and our event coach. Our "circle of trust". However we train with numerous other atheletes that are clearly juicing but do not speak of it to anyone, and our coach trains many atheletes who are not juicing at all and presumably know nothing about us. Our coach has never asked us if we would like to juice, and has never said anything about anything until we as individual atheletes approached him about it. He then made sure we were ready, safe, educated, etc.

But I'm curious if anyone has any other advice on the topic.

[spywizard]

circle of trust.. that kills me..

anyway.. stay away from var period..

what you should be asking is what exercises will increase fast twitch muscles.. then the steroids will increase the conversion of protein to develope more muscle..

get the idea??