Why take a break at all?

[InsaneMike]

I'm not that an experienced user, but a trainingsbuddy of mine is. The situation is like this, he run's cycle's of 12-20 wks, then goes on a 5week PCT, take's 1 week of "rest" and starts a new cycle again.
Now between my first and second cycle it did something similair, my reason was because i'm competing and I had to cut down after a bulk cycle.

I was talking to him and he does know what he's doeing issnt healthy, and now after like 10-15 cycle's he isnt sure if he should take a break at all, because its a waste of money for the serms etc.
He's not planning to let his body recover as he is reaching his goal.

I'm feel the same....what do you guys think, taking 20wks cycle's with suppresive stuff and take that 6week break with pct, or just go on the next cycle or on a HRT cruise.

He doesnt check his blood anymore, after a few cycle's his test wasnt good enough to get on again, but he did. I checked it once, and my production was coming up fast, but the cycle wasnt very hard and i'm 21.

I'd really like some advise, there must be people who faced a similar sitiuation.

[hugovsilva]

I think your "Nick" says it all.

[Ni6tO_]

I don't think that's a smart thing to do...

[Gear]

In terms of gains, you are better of having a good break and shocking your body again. If you're always on (known as cruising), the longer you're on for the harder it will get to gain, so in a way it may be a waste of gear. Also, when you're on for extended period of time, it seems that everyone crashs a lot harder when they come off compared to when they have a break, and when you crash hard you loose everything you gained. I was going to go "on" for 2yrs straight, but I have decided to cycle 12 weeks "on" 10 weeks "off" and just ensure my PCT is in tact each time.

On the health side of things, there is no healthy way about it.

That's the way I see it anyway.

-Gear

[InsaneMike]

The timeoff-timeon protocol is a good way to go for what I hear from others.
Only the thing about wasting gear and fading gains is something i'm not sure about...I believe that it's impossible to keep gaining mass while on very long cycle's, but with the other protocol you also will not gain much mass after numbers of cycle's.
I've always wondered why people take cycle's of 30wks+ and got great gains from it, really impressive gains wich you don't see with shorter cycle's, it seems to me that it's all about synergy, so i've been looking for user experiences. My friend also had great gains, and not really a rebound, but that's because there isnt much to rebound if you only stay off 6wks, he always change's the compounds in each cycle's, also dosage's and diet plan, so it looks like he keeps making gains, its almost unbelievable, one peroid he's bulking up and loking swole like a beast and the other one he's cutting and looking shredded with great mass.

The crash thing is something im aware off, I do believe it's much harder to recover after such a long cycle, that's why I think this protocal is only for those who tend to stay on "for life".
It's crazy i'm considering this on my age but I cant help it, it's something I want really really bad.
But I won't make a decision before I'm educated and experienced enough.

[Gear]

The more and more cycles you do, the harder it will be to gain, even if the breaks are long enough. But I would still rather have a good break, start fresh and shock the body again by doing another cycle, than cruise along and watch the gains decline.

You will get good gains from being on for an extended period of time, no question about it, but the gains will slow down and when you come off I hope you're ready because from what I have researched it's nothing like coming off a 12 weeker, it's much worse than that. So why would you take the risk of going through that and loosing most of your gains when you can do a 12 week cycle, do a proper PCT, keep what you gained, maybe loose a little, have a break and then go again.

Also, at your age you shouldn't even be using AAS. That's the first thing that should have been mentioned in this thread.

Tai and Goose will be a part of this thread no doubt.

-Gear

[InsaneMike]

The crash when coming off is a very big risk and could be a good reason not the choose this path.

I once read a topic (can't find it right now), and there was discussed about what would be.."better", stay on, of take breaks, and by better I mean better for your own production. BTW i'm really not trying to talk any good into juicing non-stop, I just want to discuss it.
In that topic there was stated that it doesnt matter if you take a good break from gear, your own HPTA will never be the same, en will get worse when you get older and cycle heavier and more. So combining it you'll end up on very low natty test. That's why, said in the topic, it would MAYBE a better choice to cruise between cycle's, IF you choose to cycle intensive. So this woulnt be for those who just cycle 1or2 cycle's a year.

I believe myself that if you cycle hard, your body's own production will be shut down more and more, most male will be good canidates for HRT when there older, but with all these cycle's it will just be sooner. That's why staying on the gear would be a better option for bodybuilders who compete or making a life of it.
Also I believe in health terms staying on is putting a lot of stress on the body, you'll have to control estrogen all the time, checking BW etc. I can really see that it's a path you can have serious regrets of later in life.

[hugovsilva]

Put it this way...

You are 21.

Do you want to put yourself at hrt for life at this stage?

Do you think its worth it?

What is your goal?

I understand that pro's do it, because this is their way of living, they need to look big and shredded all year round. But for the recreational user like ourselves what is the point?

Get what i mean?

[J*U*icEd]

first of all how about some stats: weight, height, lifting experience... and if you considering going on for life now and competeing then you should post some pics... i would love to see what your willing to put your own endogenous testosterone production on the line for....

[InsaneMike]

Put it this way...

You are 21.

Do you want to put yourself at hrt for life at this stage?

Do you think its worth it?

What is your goal?

I understand that pro's do it, because this is their way of living, they need to look big and shredded all year round. But for the recreational user like ourselves what is the point?

Get what i mean?

The crazy thing is, I really don't have a goal on competing at very high level...not yet. My goal is just to create the best I got in me...NO MATTER WHAT.
On the moment I think it's worth it but I also know I'm young and not able to make all these choices. So it's a constant fight between my sense and willing.

[kal300]

why dont you look into short cycles i heard that the recovery is faster and you can cycle more...
here is a good like on short cycle vs. long by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=213622
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

[InsaneMike]

first of all how about some stats: weight, height, lifting experience... and if you considering going on for life now and competeing then you should post some pics... i would love to see what your willing to put your own endogenous testosterone production on the line for....

Well i'll post my stats:

Ive been training since 16years old, i'm 5ft64, I started at 121pound, looked like a skinny chubby kid. My last wheighting was 191pound with 10%. I just turned 21. My cycle history, I started on my 20 with a testE only cycle, wich I ended with nolva&hcg. My second one was a 10wk Testprop100mgEOD&TrenA75mgEOD, pct: nolva+hcg+provi+slin.
I would like to post my diet, but everything is in dutch metrics so i'll have to adjust that.
There is an experienced bodybuilder who's looking after me...I din't tell him about this a lot, he just helps me with my diet, training and bodystats, but I read up about steroids myself.

I'm being honest, I don't think I got what it takes to become a pro contestant, but my goal is to get all out of my body. I finnaly found something that works for me and that I'm very good at, this is the first thing that makes me feel proud, so I want to give it ALL.

I apprieciate the reactions, because it give's something to think about and with that help I hope to make a good choice.

[InsaneMike]

why dont you look into short cycles i heard that the recovery is faster and you can cycle more...
here is a good like on short cycle vs. long by Marcus300
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=213622
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224569

Tnxs, i'm also reading about the short burst cycle's, that would be an option also

[sphincter]

I agree, I'm 31 years old and though I am considering cruising maybe 10 yars from now; due to how great I feel on cycle, I am in no way ready to go on HRT now. I love the gains, the feeling, the pump, everything about this wonderful thing I've found in cycleing and working harder to make a better me but yo have to still use your brain and you know what it is telling you dude, don't do it.

[rodge]

i'm not really the person to give advice here cause most of the time i'm ignoring my own advice.

but i want you to think about one important thing before going on something as serious as this....do you want to have children of your own in the future??? cause thats something you will jeopardize if you continue. its prob something that is'nt on your mind in this stage of your life but you have to think about it as it can effect your relationship in the future.

-rodge

[vitor]

i'm not really the person to give advice here cause most of the time i'm ignoring my own advice.

but i want you to think about one important thing before going on something as serious as this....do you want to have children of your own in the future??? cause thats something you will jeopardize if you continue. its prob something that is'nt on your mind in this stage of your life but you have to think about it as it can effect your relationship in the future.

-rodge

Importent point.

But, one could freeze down sperm. Guys who get testicle cancer get this offer at the hospital b/f the operation, so it can defently be done...

[InsaneMike]

i'm not really the person to give advice here cause most of the time i'm ignoring my own advice.

but i want you to think about one important thing before going on something as serious as this....do you want to have children of your own in the future??? cause thats something you will jeopardize if you continue. its prob something that is'nt on your mind in this stage of your life but you have to think about it as it can effect your relationship in the future.

-rodge

That's also a truth, something I indeed don't worry about because on the moment I dont see myself having children later. Vitor spoke about freezing sperm in a hospital, that could be a "solution" for that problem...however all over I understand the risk should not be light taken.
I will not go overseas with this, i'm taking the time to think about all.

[Stock]

That's also a truth, something I indeed don't worry about because on the moment I dont see myself having children later. Vitor spoke about freezing sperm in a hospital, that could be a "solution" for that problem...however all over I understand the risk should not be light taken.
I will not go overseas with this, i'm taking the time to think about all.

Freezing sperm only works if your body is producing sperm, which could stop with long term use. IMO, I didnt know what I wanted out of life at 21, and you might not as well. As long as you are getting gains with short cycles, continue until you dont, then decide if a lifetime of use is what you want. Good Luck.