permanent damage to hpta

**kickback** · 10-27-2007, 04:27 PM

I read a lot about permanently damaging your hpta by cycling to long, how many of you have actually had this happen

**Atomini** · 10-27-2007, 05:57 PM

probably very few, but it is possible. To be sure, keep your cycles less than 12 weeks and make sure you take long enough breaks between cycles to ensure full recovery.

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 06:16 PM

cycle length will depend on what compounds you use. If you are using deca or EQ you might want to cycle longer.. like 15 weeks, but time off between cycles is imho the thing that will help the most.

**goose** · 10-27-2007, 06:42 PM

plus avoid 19-nor AAS is the key!!

**m-man** · 10-27-2007, 08:20 PM

could you list all 19-nor ? thanks

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by m-man

could you list all 19-nor ? thanks

Deca for starters

**dece870717** · 10-27-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by topvega

Deca for starters

Tren .

**VWbug66** · 10-27-2007, 08:56 PM

all my cycles, 5k, consisted of test and deca ...great results outta every one!!! does all gear reflect the losing hair thing?? its not in my genes to go bald n shit..

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by dece870717

Tren.

Yeah tren is a big one.. the biggest and baddest actually.. my fave hands down.
AAS that shuts you down hardest = 19-nor
They also seem to produce some of the best results.. at least for me

**VWbug66** · 10-27-2007, 09:02 PM

oops, not 5k, just 5.

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by marsh67

all my cycles, 5k, consisted of test and deca...great results outta every one!!! does all gear reflect the losing hair thing?? its not in my genes to go bald n shit..

some are worse on the hairline then others... i think being genetically predisposed to baldness is a major factor too though.. if you have it in your genetics then certain compounds will speed it up.. did for me anyway

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by marsh67

oops, not 5k, just 5.

lol... I didn't think you did 5000 cycles... if for no other reason then the cost..lol

**VWbug66** · 10-27-2007, 09:06 PM

hahhahah yea just had to correct that..u know how theres those members who gotta come in n put they're 2 cents in that always got them stupid ass comments n shit..

**topvega** · 10-27-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by marsh67

hahhahah yea just had to correct that..u know how theres those members who gotta come in n put they're 2 cents in that always got them stupid ass comments n shit..

I know bro... God forbid you make a typo... they will crucify you...

**VWbug66** · 10-27-2007, 09:12 PM

hahhahahh dude i swear they do!! they're those type of ppl back in grade school that worship the ****in coach n beg to blow'em!! hahha u know what i mean right?!?!

**Atomini** · 10-28-2007, 06:22 AM

So, 19-nors will for sure cause permanent HPTA damage in the long run?

If that's the case, then why do people suggest running things like Deca for such long cycles? (I understand it's due to the long ester but isn't the risk not worth it??)

What about 19-nors like NPP ran in a short cycle due to the short ester rather than Deca?

**Wizeguy** · 10-28-2007, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

So, 19-nors will for sure cause permanent HPTA damage in the long run?

Thats not what they said.
19-nors have the greater potential to possibly cause HPTA damage. And that is most likely through long duration cycling and excessive use. Also not using a proper PCT. Those cases are few and everyone reacts differently to different compounds.

**vitor** · 10-28-2007, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

So, 19-nors will for sure cause permanent HPTA damage in the long run?

This has not been proven and might not be accurat at all. And remember, testosterone levels will decrease every year from age 17-18, until you die if you cycle or not!

One thing I belive is that exessive levels of estrogen and progesterone will harm the HPTA system, ive seen this happen with quite a few people who never used anti-estrogens on cycle.
The dude that used letro on hes cycle will recover better than the dude who didnt...

**topvega** · 10-28-2007, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

So, 19-nors will for sure cause permanent HPTA damage in the long run?

Never said that...read the thread again. Tren and Deca shut you down hard that's a known fact. As far as permanent HPTA damage there would be more then 1 single reason or compound responsible if it in fact did ever happen. I ran tren for 22 weeks and I recovered well with a good pct. Everyone is different though.

**cookiemonstR** · 10-28-2007, 10:12 AM

With alot of people HPTA damage is kinda in the eye of the beholder, very subjective. No one can tell you definitively what will cause permenant HPTA damage they can only tell you their best guesstimate. The only way to really tell would be to have a study, or at least ALOT of people who did high dose cycles fora long time and than have their Natural Test levels tested perhaps 6 months to a year later. IMO anything besides that is bs, anyone can say i felt fine, etc, etc. cheers