questions on first cycle. test c or e only

**Der Schatten** · 10-31-2007, 09:33 AM

I've been reading on here for about a year, never done any type of cycle before and probably won't after this one except 1-ad for a month about 4 years ago.

I'm currently 24 (25 in december), 6'1", 215 lbs and around 13-14% bf. i'm going to be cutting for the next month and trying to get down to around 11% before starting anything.

I'm only trying to put on about 10lbs, but more strength and cut a bit more, down to around 9%.

weeks 1-10(12) 200mg test 2x a week (400mg total)

i've read all the pct articles i could find, and still a little confused as to whether clomid or nolva is better.

i'm not wanting to add deca or anything else to this as i don't want a whole lot of bloat, i don't want to put on 20lbs. it's just the pct i'm trying to figure out properly.

**BOUNCER 01** · 10-31-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Der Schatten

I've been reading on here for about a year, never done any type of cycle before and probably won't after this one except 1-ad for a month about 4 years ago.

I'm currently 24 (25 in december), 6'1", 215 lbs and around 13-14% bf. i'm going to be cutting for the next month and trying to get down to around 11% before starting anything.

I'm only trying to put on about 10lbs, but more strength and cut a bit more, down to around 9%.

weeks 1-10(12) 200mg test 2x a week (400mg total)

i've read all the pct articles i could find, and still a little confused as to whether clomid or nolva is better.

i'm not wanting to add deca or anything else to this as i don't want a whole lot of bloat, i don't want to put on 20lbs. it's just the pct i'm trying to figure out properly.

You can add 10lbs naturally if you follow a good diet. If you decided to do a cycle then i would go with test e rather than cyp as it will cause less water retention. 500mg ew for 12 weeks and most people don't bother with pct for this particular cycle....so you should be fine.

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by BOUNCER 01

You can add 10lbs naturally if you follow a good diet. If you decided to do a cycle then i would go with test e rather than cyp as it will cause less water retention. 500mg ew for 12 weeks and most people don't bother with pct for this particular cycleomg you gotta be jokeing ,plesae dont listen to this advise its just awfull....so you should be fine.

why give advise like that?

**BOUNCER 01** · 10-31-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

why give advise like that?

whats wrong?

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by BOUNCER 01

whats wrong?

you say he dont need a pct for a 12 week cycke of test ?

**100% Steroid Free** · 10-31-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

you say he dont need a pct for a 12 week cycke of test ?

.......

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by 100% Steroid Free

I think you will find a lot of people on this board will agree with me on this statement. For a first cycle of test e....and yes 12 week cycle theres not much point for a pct(no gyno,minimal supression and no real reason for pct). Of course if you did do a pact nothing wrong with that mate, but waste of money imo.

i think you will find ALOT of people on this board who know what they are talking about will tell you that a pct is vital for your first and any cycle that one decides to run.

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by 100% Steroid Free

.......

too late

**Big** · 10-31-2007, 10:03 AM

Are you guys serious? Advising against pct for a 12 week test cycle?? A waste of money???
Please people don't follow this advise, there is no logical reason not to do pct following a cycle like this.

**Dizz28** · 10-31-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by 100% Steroid Free

I think you will find a lot of people on this board will agree with me on this statement. For a first cycle of test e....and yes 12 week cycle theres not much point for a pct(no gyno,minimal supression and no real reason for pct). Of course if you did do a pact nothing wrong with that mate, but waste of money imo.

true, there are a bunch of 18yo kids on here that don't know what they are talking about. These are the same people that think they are gonna gain 30lbs on a 6wk Dbol only cycle.

**Dizz28** · 10-31-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

too late

I got it quoted before he erased it, people need to see that type of ignorace

**BOUNCER 01** · 10-31-2007, 10:08 AM

I don't think you would have to run hcg and ai's like other cycles such as deca. You can get away with nolva or clomid for a simple test cycle.

**Iffy** · 10-31-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by BOUNCER 01

I don't think you would have to run hcg and ai's like other cycles such as deca. You can get away with nolva or clomid for a simple test cycle.

i agree as i did the exact cycle and ran nothing nor a pct,kept most of my gains.will run a pct for a hasher cycle as needed

**PEWN** · 10-31-2007, 10:13 AM

wow... can two of you never answer a question again please..... this thread needs to be closed for the worse advice....

**Big** · 10-31-2007, 10:14 AM

This thread alone is going to revitalize the hall of shame quote thread.

**PEWN** · 10-31-2007, 10:14 AM

already has...

**Dizz28** · 10-31-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by pewntang

wow... can two of you never answer a question again please..... this thread needs to be closed for the worse advice....

These guys lost thier talking priveledges a couple posts ago.

**100% Steroid Free** · 10-31-2007, 10:17 AM

Would we have to run the full pct for example hcg,nolva aromasin or can we not get wawy with just clomid. I had no problem with it.

**Dizz28** · 10-31-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by 100% Steroid Free

Would we have to run the full pct for example hcg,nolva aromasin or can we not get wawy with just clomid. I had no problem with it.

Nolva is more effective than clomid. No need for HCG in something like this either

**Big** · 10-31-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by 100% Steroid Free

Would we have to run the full pct for example hcg,nolva aromasin or can we not get wawy with just clomid. I had no problem with it.

Why are you asking pct questions like this when 12 posts up this thread you advised against pct for this cycle? In the future could you get these questions answered before you advise others?

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

Why are you asking pct questions like this when 12 posts up this thread you advised against pct for this cycle? In the future could you get these questions answered before you advise others?

**jnm** · 10-31-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

I got it quoted before he erased it, people need to see that type of ignorace

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

too late

childish and sheer ignorance... this is serious stuff

**nowdenlid** · 10-31-2007, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by jnm

childish and sheer ignorance... this is serious stuff

we know its serious stuff ,it should be the guy who said there is no need for pct you should be flameing not us....

**PEWN** · 10-31-2007, 11:03 AM

it was serious until idiots tried answering it with no knowledge....

**sphincter** · 10-31-2007, 11:20 AM

yeah, wow is all I can say. weird thread for sure. yes do PCT every time, and yes, have all your cycle and PCT items in hand before you start anything.

**Der Schatten** · 10-31-2007, 12:07 PM

wow. i feel less knowledgeable now that before. can a moderator or the users please delete all useless answers?

i thought i asked a pretty straight forward question, which would follow with a straight forward answer.

so Nolva is more effective than Clomid, i got that. but at what doses for pct? i've read that is should be run on a downward tapering dosage for about 3-4 weeks.

i am planning on having everything around before i even think about starting. all chemicals and 1.5 x the supplies needed for proper injections. i'm not planning on starting anything for another month or 2 till everything is well within check and i have reached my 11% goal.

**PEWN** · 10-31-2007, 12:27 PM

buddy.... if you ... get your post to 25 send me a pm and i will personally help you bud

**Big** · 10-31-2007, 01:07 PM

There you go, Pewn knows his stuff and can walk you through it, also I recommend reading the stickies at the top of the pct section of the board, they don't leave many unanswered questions if you read them all.

**Der Schatten** · 10-31-2007, 03:44 PM

i have read them and have a pretty good understanding. but i still don't want to make any mistakes. that's why i figured ask on here and make sure everything i will do is exact. you only have one body, why take a chance and screw it up now?

**Der Schatten** · 10-31-2007, 03:45 PM

and one more to be able to pm

**MaGiCJNG** · 10-31-2007, 03:55 PM

I would say if you are just going to take Nolva, take it 2 weeks (or 11 days right?) after your last shot of test e, and at a dose of 20mg a day for 4 weeks.

Some people, from what i understand, taper down to 10 mg on the last week, but for the majority they just do 20mg for 4 weeks. (i have also seen people run for 6 weeks).

I hope i didnt add to the stupidity haha. If i did please correct me, this is the knowledge i gained reading a bunch of articles on here.

**Der Schatten** · 10-31-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by MaGiCJNG

I would say if you are just going to take Nolva, take it 2 weeks (or 11 days right?)

after your last shot of test e, and at a dose of 20mg a day for 4 weeks.

which of these are you thinking?

one says 2 weeks, one says 4.

i'm leaning towards the 4 weeks.

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