First Cycle..Do I really need Test ?

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-04-2007, 05:21 AM

G'day all..
I'm 38, weigh 84kgs , 5ft 9 and lead a pretty healthy eating life, although I do have love handles that are bugging me and goto the gym 3 times a week.
I'm ready to do my first cycle but have a question about Test. I wouldn't be what you'd call even tempered ( in fact.....I get pissed off pretty easily and am pretty moody ) so i'm wondering if Test is the right thing for me to use in any cycle of any sort ? If I can use it without it affecting my moods then I will, as it seems the only thing to use.
My plan is gaining a bit of quality mass and stripping myself of some unwanted fat, so I thought below might be the go instead.

Equipoise 450-500mg/week + Anavar or T-Bol ( T-Bol seems to be the better of the 2 ) . I'll do this cycle for 12 weeks ( Eq's suggested cycle time ) with a PCT of Nolvadex which i'll start a week after last injection. I'm guessing I'll also need Aromasin due to the Equipoise shutting down my tadpole supply .

Does this seem to light for what I want to achieve and should I add something else ? Any help appreciated .

**Crest** · 11-04-2007, 06:14 AM

if you dont want to use test purly because you think your attitude will change, i found that to be highly over rated, when i ran test i didnt notice a difference in my own temprement and i dont think anybody who knows me did either

**Ashop** · 11-04-2007, 07:08 AM

I think TEST is needed as base for almost every cycle. A new user will get great gains off a TEST E cycle alone.

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-04-2007, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by web_uk_builder

if you dont want to use test purly because you think your attitude will change, i found that to be highly over rated, when i ran test i didnt notice a difference in my own temprement and i dont think anybody who knows me did either

I'm guessing most of the downsides to steroids come after prolonged use, rather than the first cycle ? i.e roid rage , hair loss.
Low testosterone levels , water retention, acne and gyno can happen in first cycles depending on what you use, but can also be counteracted using other products, but human moods are something thats affected by the environment we are in.
I'm just wondering if you are the type of person who is susceptible to rapid mood swings ( which I am ) , will Test it make you even worse with its first usage or does it take longer periods of time to show these signs ?

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-04-2007, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by ALIN

I think TEST is needed as base for almost every cycle. A new user will get great gains off a TEST E cycle alone.

After all the reading, I know you are right . My apprehension is due more about myself than the Test. Whats the shortest cycle one can use Test for and would you still require a full PCT after its use ?

**Crest** · 11-04-2007, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by ANALISTOPS

I'm guessing most of the downsides to steroids come after prolonged use, rather than the first cycle ? i.e roid rage , hair loss.
Low testosterone levels , water retention, acne and gyno can happen in first cycles depending on what you use, but can also be counteracted using other products, but human moods are something thats affected by the environment we are in.
I'm just wondering if you are the type of person who is susceptible to rapid mood swings ( which I am ) , will Test it make you even worse with its first usage or does it take longer periods of time to show these signs ?

im not an expert, and iv only done one proper cycle of dbol and test but i think its generaly down to the individual. most people can probably control the aggression that they get and save it for the gym! test is usually the base roid around here tho and its imposible for anyone on the board to say, its prob a case of having to find out the hard way.

**haskell954** · 11-12-2007, 03:20 PM

Let us know what you decide to do

**D-Money** · 11-12-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm not one who is a proponent of the "test in every cycle." I think gains can be made off any androgen if you eat and train right. I am concerned about my sexual function during a cycle thats why I include it every cycle. Plus It feels more natural, since your body natually produces it (in smaller quanities). This is why most guys say it's the best thing to start with.

**pr0digy9daniel** · 11-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Try it before you diss it...

I expected test to make me at least a little agressive... But although I have gone off on one a few times, its nothing more than before I started my cycle.

I highly doubt you will start going on an insane rage after a few injections, and if it gets bad you can always stop...