Correct diet is more important than AAS

**Twanny** · 11-06-2007, 02:01 AM

Some people who read steroid profiles seem to think that they are the best (quickest) way to build muscles. But that alone: what do u think muscles are made up of? Air n water? Obviously you need the amino acids in ur body from an appropriate diet to build the muscles out of, steroids present or not.

There are alot of new posts proposing new cycles but peoples body stats suggest they are of 'lean' build. 6' 140 pounds for example.

If your diet is not right, then AAS wont help you anyway. The best way ive found to check if your diet is right (mine wasnt and i found out this way) is to over intake on protein suppliments for 2 months. For example, my container says 4 scoops per day. I jacked it up to 12 scoops and a few weeks later, my muscle gains kicked on. Note that you have to be careful of ur bodyweight that its not just fat (obviously). A few more cardio sessions are needed.

**magic32** · 11-06-2007, 02:27 PM

This Question & Answer forum is oddly enough for questions and answers

Declarative information like this belongs in our lounge:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-lounge-off-topic-discussion/

Thanks though, and welcome to AR.

**AandF6969** · 11-06-2007, 02:46 PM

Theres a few people every week who wonder why they can't gain weight above 140 lbs and think that steroids will solve the problem... like you said, they don't create muscles out of air and water, steroids aren't magic. Can't build a house without bricks.

**sphincter** · 11-06-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

Theres a few people every week who wonder why they can't gain weight above 140 lbs and think that steroids will solve the problem... like you said, they don't create muscles out of air and water, steroids aren't magic. Can't build a house without bricks.

yeah bro, I totally loved the anology you used for the construction worker guy... juice is workers but FOOD is the bricks & mortar!!! what a super-excellent way to explain it!! You gotta have food peoples!

**soulstealer** · 11-06-2007, 04:18 PM

I'll tell you though If you have the right training split/mind muscle connection/diet with adequate rest and you add a strong cycle they are like freakin magic

**MuscleScience** · 11-06-2007, 04:36 PM

I am going to piss some off here but if you eat and have enought calories to be in a positive energy balance and have an enviroment were your body needs to adapt to novel stimulus coupled with steroid use then your body will grow. A lot of people put a lot of effort into there diet which is fine. I just feel that telling someone that just because they are 140 lbs that aas wouldnt help them. I dare say that it would help them tremendously, and I think its someone hypocritical to tell someone other wise. After all the body knows what to do with its extra energy better than all of use.

Do I think that someone should have a proper diet and exercise program, plus be of age , absolutely. But would I ever tell someone that they will not grow on a shitty high calorie diet, No. I would tell them to educate themselves and form their own opinion based on some education.

**AandF6969** · 11-06-2007, 04:49 PM

The problem is, most of the people that post up a cycle here that weigh 140 lbs do NOT have a high-calorie diet... its usually like 1500 calories and they wonder why they wouldn't grow. If they used anabolics with a diet like that yeah they might gain a couple pounds, and like 10 lbs of water but its horrible results compared to what a correct diet would provide.

**MuscleScience** · 11-06-2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

The problem is, most of the people that post up a cycle here that weigh 140 lbs do NOT have a high-calorie diet... its usually like 1500 calories and they wonder why they wouldn't grow. If they used anabolics with a diet like that yeah they might gain a couple pounds, and like 10 lbs of water but its horrible results compared to what a correct diet would provide.

I agree, but to say they wont get bigger and stronger is not technically correct.

that study that someone posted up here awhile back that had the different dosage effects of test e and lean body mass gain showed that if someone is administered steroids without change to diet or exercise that they indeed would gain lean body mass with minimal gain in fat. Those that were giving over something like 200 mg/week that is. The study's participants were directed to not change there eating patterns and no one was undergoing resistance exercise. Yet they still grew, just goes to show you that anabolics are a very powerful signal for physiological change.

**AandF6969** · 11-06-2007, 05:01 PM

Did they keep their gains with a shitty diet?

**MuscleScience** · 11-06-2007, 05:24 PM

Hell if I know, the study went only 20 weeks. Would have been nice to know. Would have been a good study to do a couple of papers on if they didnt already because none of the subjects reported any sides at all. The interesting thing that struck me though was that they gave them a chemical that completely shut them down so that they could have accurated testosterone readings from the amount administered. I dont recall the paper talking about PCT at all after the study was done.

**luckylou** · 11-06-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Twanny

Some people who read steroid profiles seem to think that they are the best (quickest) way to build muscles. But that alone: what do u think muscles are made up of? Air n water? Obviously you need the amino acids in ur body from an appropriate diet to build the muscles out of, steroids present or not.

There are alot of new posts proposing new cycles but peoples body stats suggest they are of 'lean' build. 6' 140 pounds for example.

If your diet is not right, then AAS wont help you anyway. The best way ive found to check if your diet is right (mine wasnt and i found out this way) is to over intake on protein suppliments for 2 months. For example, my container says 4 scoops per day. I jacked it up to 12 scoops and a few weeks later, my muscle gains kicked on. Note that you have to be careful of ur bodyweight that its not just fat (obviously). A few more cardio sessions are needed.

Interesting/Good Post Twanny!

If your taking 12 scoopes protien per day thats 240 grams of protien for
140lbs. (20 Grams per scoope)

The rule of thumb is 1.5 grams per 1lb body weight which would equl 210grams of protein.

Plus the proteins that you take in from your diet also.

Do you think it could be a combo of everything , not just the 12 scoopes of protein?
Peace Out.

**green22** · 11-06-2007, 06:33 PM

I would say diet is 70% of what you look like. Drugs will take you to the next level but how many people have you seen in the gym who are juiced up but look like shit. They dont have the disipline to diet. Soulstealer is right about you gotta have all your shit together to make roids magic. I think some people need to safe their money and just learn how to eat a train.

**Twanny** · 11-06-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by luckylou

Interesting/Good Post Twanny!

If your taking 12 scoopes protien per day thats 240 grams of protien for
140lbs. (20 Grams per scoope)

The rule of thumb is 1.5 grams per 1lb body weight which would equl 210grams of protein.

Plus the proteins that you take in from your diet also.

Do you think it could be a combo of everything , not just the 12 scoopes of protein?
Peace Out.

Yeh definately is a combo of ur regular diet + suppliments. Force feeding urself the extra scoops is just an easy way to ensure that u have plenty of protein to 'start construction' with. Easier if ound in my case anyways

**Twanny** · 11-06-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

This Question & Answer forum is oddly enough for questions and answers

Declarative information like this belongs in our lounge:

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Thanks though, and welcome to AR.

yeah mate i know, but going off some postings about 1st cycles it appears that many are just going straight to the steroid forum without doing the necessary reading in the others. hoping if we leave the thread in this forum, it might catch the eye of someone who hasnt fully researched and save other members the hassel of the generic "you should really look at your diet before u consider AAS . . . " speech. Point taken tho

cheers

**magic32** · 11-06-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Twanny

yeah mate i know, but going off some postings about 1st cycles it appears that many are just going straight to the steroid forum without doing the necessary reading in the others. hoping if we leave the thread in this forum, it might catch the eye of someone who hasnt fully researched and save other members the hassel of the generic "you should really look at your diet before u consider AAS . . . " speech. Point taken tho

cheers

True, but even those ill-advised first cycle guys are posting in critique fashion.
This is a good topic, and certainly worthy of the steroid site, but since its not a question this is the wrong forum.

Many have abused the Q&A forum, when the lounge is more applicable to their subject matter. Hopefully, a measure of order can be restored, starting with those who know better. The "He did it first" mentality is simply irresponsible.