I found for me that i just couldnt get any where with out AS.I ate like a CHAMP I work out hard and the results just never came the way i wanted them to come.Since using AS I have had extreme results more in a month than i have seen in a year.Honestly.it is just amazing.I posted a half assed Question on a first time cycle and got back alot of feed back about diet and training and respect the guys who said what they did.AS are serious compounds and one has to be very careful in what it is they want and trying to do.The guys On the board telling you to try something else other than As like diet and training are 100% on the money.Thanks guys..........