Getting my future cycle figured out...input?

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 12:32 PM

This will be my third cycle and I'm 21 yeard old. I prob. wont start it for 6 months but I just like getting things in line ahead of time.

Previous cycles

1st cycle- Test E 500mg a week, 10 weeks

2nd cycle- Phera Plex-10mgs a day, 4 weeks, & Test E 550mg a week, 10 weeks

Stats

Height: 5'11
Weight: 270
Bodyfat: 18-20%
(Currently cutting til i hit 12%)
Currently training for 7 years, 5 years natty

29 Inch Legs (weak point)
21 Inch Arms
15 Inch Forearms
38 Inch Waist
17.5 Inch Calves
54 Inch Chest

Future Cycle

Test E 500mgs a week for 15 weeks
Deca 400mgs a week for 12 weeks
Maybe kickstart with a prohormone for 4 weeks

PCT

Nolva 20/20/20/20/20
Arimidex .5/.5/.5/.5
IGF-1 LR3

Just wondering how this looked for a 3rd cycle and if anything is missing or if anything could be improved upon thanks.

**Dizz28** · 11-07-2007, 12:44 PM

I'd like to see a picture of this....21yo 5' 11" 270lbs at only 20% body fat...wow

...by the way, not doubting it, just would like to see that. That's some mass

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 01:21 PM

I only have one kind of shitty pic but I'll gladly post it if you want to see

**Johny-too-small** · 11-07-2007, 01:26 PM

Why not kickstart w/ dbol or prop or the like? Prohormones blow. Good luck, buddy.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Why not kickstart w/ dbol or prop or the like? Prohormones blow. Good luck, buddy.

Thanks for the insight man, I have some p/hs laying around that I got a great deal on so I just figured I'd use em. I always got decent gains on them in the past though.

**Consistency** · 11-07-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

I'd like to see a picture of this....21yo 5' 11" 270lbs at only 20% body fat...wow

...by the way, not doubting it, just would like to see that. That's some mass

you beat me to it!!! I would like to see the pic also, I bet you are above 18%BF, and if you are... wow

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

you beat me to it!!! I would like to see the pic also, I bet you are above 18%BF, and if you are... wow

Well I hope im not bro, its a shitty pic but ill post up

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 06:30 PM

Not a great pic but here it is

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-07-2007, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by BigToMCaT

Not a great pic but here it is

Where is here ?

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 06:37 PM

**Big** · 11-07-2007, 06:42 PM

which one are you? Just kidding bro, you've got some great size already.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

which one are you? Just kidding bro, you've got some great size already.

Thanks man I work my ass off. I was holdin some water in this pic arms were close to 22" with not much definition.

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-07-2007, 06:52 PM

I just re-read your initial post and yeah...270lbs and 21inch arms ..Holy moly.
Mine's not to judge but when I was your age , i had so much testosterone , I was rooting broom sticks. No juice required

**ANALISTOPS** · 11-07-2007, 06:55 PM

Mother of God !!! Good going there young man. Your arm is wider than his head.

**Consistency** · 11-07-2007, 07:30 PM

I stand corrected

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 07:50 PM

thanks guys

**Consistency** · 11-07-2007, 07:56 PM

dont messwith the PH, get some dbol to kickstart

also I would definetly get some clomid for PCT and how many mcgs of IGF are you gonna take for PCT and how long?

**SNUKA** · 11-07-2007, 09:12 PM

i make the pct a little stronger maybe a little HCG . other wise every looks good. man if u can cut to 12% and then bulk u will look sick.

**KeepingItBalanced** · 11-07-2007, 09:41 PM

geez you are one big guy! me of a guy a played football with.... but then he went to college and got all messed up on bad drugs and lost it all...and eventually it killed him....

Just a thought maybe try test C instead....? or do test prop and winny/turnibol or something to cut down some.

**WHITETIGER0424** · 11-07-2007, 09:54 PM

Hey man nice stats!! Definately impressive arm size, but you would be amazed at what they would look like if you took some time to shred your body of some of its fat. That size arm at your height would look Sic!!! Also I wouldn't go to say that a 29" leg is your week point, Sh** I think Arnolds were only like 30" and he was 6'2" or 6'3".

**kif** · 11-07-2007, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by ashcfc3c

geez you are one big guy! me of a guy a played football with.... but then he went to college and got all messed up on bad drugs and lost it all...and eventually it killed him....

Just a thought maybe try test C instead....? or do test prop and winny/turnibol or something to cut down some.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

dont messwith the PH, get some dbol to kickstart

also I would definetly get some clomid for PCT and how many mcgs of IGF are you gonna take for PCT and how long?

25mcgs bi-lateral 5 days a week shot post workout, ran for four weeks.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by WHITETIGER0424

Hey man nice stats!! Definately impressive arm size, but you would be amazed at what they would look like if you took some time to shred your body of some of its fat. That size arm at your height would look Sic!!! Also I wouldn't go to say that a 29" leg is your week point, Sh** I think Arnolds were only like 30" and he was 6'2" or 6'3".

I cutdown a little since then and lost the water bloat I look alot better now imo. I plan on cutting to 240-245 going by the mirror more than the scale of course. When it comes to my legs im my own worst critic, hell when i look at my arms I think they're small you'll never catch me in a cutoff at the gym haha.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-07-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by SNUKA

i make the pct a little stronger maybe a little HCG. other wise every looks good. man if u can cut to 12% and then bulk u will look sick.

Thats the plan

**Consistency** · 11-07-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by BigToMCaT

25mcgs bi-lateral 5 days a week shot post workout, ran for four weeks.

so you mean 50mcg PWO? Ive ran IGF LR3 a few times and I started at 60mcg and soon bumped it up to 80mcg PWO. Have you ran it before? Also, I liked to shoot it in whatever muscle group I worked that day. If you havent done it before I would suggest atleast 60mcg PWO, and yeah I know its expensive... goodluck. You should keep a log with pics

**BigToMCaT** · 11-08-2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

so you mean 50mcg PWO? Ive ran IGF LR3 a few times and I started at 60mcg and soon bumped it up to 80mcg PWO. Have you ran it before? Also, I liked to shoot it in whatever muscle group I worked that day. If you havent done it before I would suggest atleast 60mcg PWO, and yeah I know its expensive... goodluck. You should keep a log with pics

I have used before, gained a few lbs and a little strength and dropped some b/f.
I mite not up the dosage just because I find the dosages most people use are ridiculous.
Of course Im not saying 80mcg of IGF is lol.

**bigdog123** · 11-08-2007, 04:16 PM

how much did u weigh between ur cycles ?
and how were the gains??
thanks

**BigToMCaT** · 11-09-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by bigdog123

how much did u weigh between ur cycles ?
and how were the gains??
thanks

Started my first cycle at 190 with abs ended it at 215 still fairly lean. Bulked naturally til I hit 275, cut down to 240. started my second cycle at that weight and hit 275 from there on. Been cutting since PCT ended and my weight stabilized, just a long process of bulks n cuts til I reach my ridiculous unachievable (someday) goal.

**KeepingItBalanced** · 11-09-2007, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by BigToMCaT

I cutdown a little since then and lost the water bloat I look alot better now imo. I plan on cutting to 240-245 going by the mirror more than the scale of course. When it comes to my legs im my own worst critic, hell when i look at my arms I think they're small you'll never catch me in a cutoff at the gym haha.

I was just talking to a long time friend of mine last night and I told him that the mirror is all thats important to me now, not my weight. I think thats the best way to go.

**green22** · 11-09-2007, 08:22 AM

I would say get the BF% down a bit more like 10-12% and then hit the drugs. you would look bad ass then

**ChuckLee** · 11-09-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by green22

I would say get the BF% down a bit more like 10-12% and then hit the drugs. you would look bad ass then

Agree. Threadstarter, ya are HuGe

**Consistency** · 11-09-2007, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by green22

I would say get the BF% down a bit more like 10-12% and then hit the drugs. you would look bad ass then

10% is pretty low, a healthy male BF is between 12-20%. I think most people think they are lower BF then they really are... I mean 10% is considered unhealthy

**BigToMCaT** · 11-10-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by green22

I would say get the BF% down a bit more like 10-12% and then hit the drugs. you would look bad ass then

Thats my current goal, while preserving muscle naturally.

**BigToMCaT** · 11-10-2007, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

10% is pretty low, a healthy male BF is between 12-20%. I think most people think they are lower BF then they really are... I mean 10% is considered unhealthy

I agree on that completely, anything below 15% is pretty lean in my book.