Orals!

**N8O** · 09-04-2002, 10:46 PM

I've done a search and haven't found what i'm looking for. The question i have is 'what would the best oral be for putting on mass and gaining strength and keeping the gains?' and can u stack any orals?

thanks

**Tapout** · 09-04-2002, 11:15 PM

an oral alone for what you want may not happen
dbol and anadrol is great for size but without an injectable used with them the gains do not stay to well.
winny is the best oral for keeping your gains but the gains you get from winny are slow and minimal but quality size. but overall not big gains
as far as mixing orals like dbol or ad with winny it is possible and may keep more of the gains but very hard on liver

you also ned clomid or nolvadex post cycle to help keep gains

**symatech** · 09-04-2002, 11:17 PM

also with orals get ala or milk thistle. this will help your liver when running toxic roids.

**N8O** · 09-05-2002, 02:55 AM

what could be done to help the liver out apart from monorting blood etc.?

**inertia** · 09-05-2002, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by symatech
also with orals get ala or milk thistle. this will help your liver when running toxic roids.

**Jaguar** · 09-05-2002, 03:45 AM

One thing to help the liver would be getting over Needle phobia, and use a injectable...

1) Its more effective
2) Its safer
and 3) Its actually 200 times easier than people think before they try it, it actually becomes fun..

Jaguar

**MBaraso** · 09-05-2002, 04:18 AM

You can take D-bol for 4 weeks @ 40mgs e/d and ship your injectables to me

Seriously listen to the guys that replied. Get over the needle fear.
It's not that bad.
A true stack is orals + injects
And a True True stack is injects + injects

M

**Pete235** · 09-05-2002, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by Jaguar
One thing to help the liver would be getting over Needle phobia, and use a injectable...

1) Its more effective
2) Its safer
and 3) Its actually 200 times easier than people think before they try it, it actually becomes fun..

Jaguar

BINGO!!!

**ddrew** · 09-05-2002, 06:52 AM

I agree with the other guys needles are the way to go. Once you begin to associate the big gains with the shot you will actually look forward to taking your shots.

**N8O** · 09-08-2002, 05:27 AM

I'm just asking questions to find different answers i'm not cycling yet as i'm only 18 but am interested and am trying to find a medical point of view instead of a non-medical just to see how bad AS is on under developed test systems. I listen to you guys and take in what you say but i'm trying to find some reasearch on it.

peace

**ripsid** · 09-08-2002, 08:39 AM

Jaguar!
I'm no f'n doctor and I don't play one on TV but....You got it right on money!
LOL!

**Muscular_Mike** · 09-08-2002, 08:43 AM

Whats the easiest injection site?

**Jaguar** · 09-08-2002, 08:56 AM

Well I gonna assume (pretty safe assumption I think

).. that you have never cycled before if you are asking a question like this, Most guys generally choose to start with the Glute mate (the ass) , as ofcourse its a large muscle, with very little chance of hitting a vein... The Quad is also quite easy mate (these are the main two guys usually start with, delts are also very common, as well as spot injections)..

But if you are looking for just the easiest injection site, and dont have to poke yourself too often , then i would just stick with Glutes to start off with mate...

Jaguar

**Tank21** · 09-08-2002, 10:57 AM

I know that i was a little antsy about injecting myself. i havent been doing it long but i can tell you how I started. I shot and still shoot into my quads for a couple different reasons. First, i can see exactly what i am doing. I can stick, aspirate , and inject with a perfect view. As i havent done that before it really helped. Also i can sit down while doing it, the first time it was helpful because you can steady yourself. But shit, i like it know and glad i did it. I am not afraid of needles and pain is not a problem but i def had anxiety. So good luck and stick away. Also I have a fat ghetto ass and would need some longer pins which i didnt have.

**WanaKnowMore** · 09-10-2002, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by N8O
I've done a search and haven't found what i'm looking for. The question i have is 'what would the best oral be for putting on mass and gaining strength and keeping the gains?' and can u stack any orals?

thanks

Bro.
Check this out..
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsample.htm

go down to where it says All Oral Cycle

IMHO I gotta tell ya. I am with the other bro's here on this one, you should stay clear of an all oral cycle if you can. Plus remember you will need a base for the cycle like test or deca .. just my .02 cents..

**N8O** · 09-10-2002, 05:05 AM

yeah thats wat i'm hearing and might go for i think i might do a cutting cycle of clen /eca or winny/eca then maybe a test/dbol bulking cycle but am still reasearching but thanks to all you guys for your help

**jonas63** · 09-10-2002, 06:12 AM

Hi N8O

Check this link

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23914

**WanaKnowMore** · 09-10-2002, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by N8O
yeah thats wat i'm hearing and might go for i think i might do a cutting cycle of clen/eca or winny/eca then maybe a test/dbol bulking cycle but am still reasearching but thanks to all you guys for your help

Check this out bro..
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/189ster.html

**N8O** · 09-10-2002, 09:59 PM

Man theres alot of different opinions out there some people are saying orals are ok by them selfs and that injectables arn't needed. I personaly think that injectables are the way to go from the reasearch i have done but for my first cycle it's be orlas only because i live at home and if my parent found out they'd kill me so for now it's a wait on my first cycle till i move out of home which will prob be when i'm 19 or so. then i'll do it wright and try keep my liver in 1 peace. but i'm really am appreciating the articles and am learning alot so thanks

**N8O** · 09-10-2002, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by WanaKnowMore

Check this out bro..
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/189ster.html

i like the non steroid alternatives in there but these article that include pro-hormones seem to be geared towards people that are at the right level to jucie anyway (age mainly) but i gues theres not that many 18 year olds who are looking at AS anyway