The 1 Gram Rule

[D-Money]

I read somewhere that in order to make any real gains with anabolics, around 1 gram of anabolics is needed in the long run. In other words, an intermediate to advanced bodybuilder would need 1000mg of juice to make any real gains. And if you think about it, most guys would consider that amound a proper cycle. For instance,

A popular cycle:
500mg test
400mg decca=900mg

Or:
750mg test
500mg eq=1250mg

Do you guys buy into this theory?

[BrownBomber]

No way...

I've used 500mg of Test a week and got very nice gains and I still
have most it...

What kind of cycle are you looking at doing and what are your goals?

- BB

[D-Money]

That's very interesting. I think many guys on here would agree with you, and they run less. I'm not lookin for cycle advice, just opinions on this theory. Thanks.

[dedic8ed1]

No way...

I've used 500mg of Test a week and got very nice gains and I still
have most it...

What kind of cycle are you looking at doing and what are your goals?

- BB

Agreed,I think most people are sensitive to gear and don't really need much at all but they fall into the trap that the more you do the bigger you'll be which is pretty careless.

[D-Money]

So do you think 925mg of gear a week is careless, as that is often recomended to beginners in books I have read and some websites?

25mg d-bol
500mg test
400mg deca

plus pct.

[D-Money]

Bump

[millionairemurph]

that doesnt make much sense to me. Tren, eq, mast , test they all do different things, they all have different potencies. It depends on the persons size, cycle history, sensitivity to the drugs etc.

[CYP400]

to be honest 500mg test a week is not much, i use minimum 1000mg just of test

[Haro3]

Agreed,I think most people are sensitive to gear and don't really need much at all but they fall into the trap that the more you do the bigger you'll be which is pretty careless.

I'll argue that..... if my diet is on point I'm gonna gain a WHOLE lot more on 100 prop and 100 tren ed than 50mg test and 50mg tren ed ANY day of the week.....

[D-Money]

that doesnt make much sense to me. Tren, eq, mast , test they all do different things, they all have different potencies. It depends on the persons size, cycle history, sensitivity to the drugs etc.

I agree. 100mg is way more potent than 100mg of deca or test. Or 50mg of d-bol is way more effective then 50 mg of eq.

[Atomini]

That's very interesting. I think many guys on here would agree with you, and they run less. I'm not lookin for cycle advice, just opinions on this theory. Thanks.

lol... dude, i've run 300mg/week of Test for 8 weeks and gained 27 lbs.

What you read is probably some made up bullcrap. There are so many variables as to how much AAS you need to grow, nobody can pull stupid claims like these out of their ass and say that's the way it goes for everyone.

One person might be able to make AMAZING gains off 300mg test a week, yet someone else might need 800mg test a week. It all boils down to genetics and how much affinity your body's androgen receptors have towards androgens. Always take claims like these with a grain of salt.

I never blieve claims like these because notice how there is no science to back it? Not even a valid explanation, let alone an actual study done to validate these points? I don't believe this one bit, IMO it's a load of crap until I see a research paper with valid references. And that won't ever happen.

[Atomini]

Also in my opinion, when you need one whole gram a week to make good gains, you've reached the point of steroid ABUSE. So unless you're being offered millions of dollars via sponsorships and prize money, I wouldn't take any of this "1 gram rule" as valid advice. If you want to trade off your health for money, go ahead and do it. For the average gym goer who uses steroids, it's not a very good choice to make...

[Swifto]

Complete rubbish.

I used 500mg/wk of Test and gained 24lbs.

[Booz]

to be honest 500mg test a week is not much, i use minimum 1000mg just of test

i bought into that theory and i wont tell you how much test ive used weekly,
i just run 500mg of test weekly with watever i use now and i still see the same gains off it,i am of the school of thought now that its the other compounds that give you the better gains so i keep test at a minimum................

[Haro3]

i bought into that theory and i wont tell you how much test ive used weekly,
i just run 500mg of test weekly with watever i use now and i still see the same gains off it,i am of the school of thought now that its the other compounds that give you the better gains so i keep test at a minimum................

definately found that out....300-500 is sufficient for me with test usually run my 19-nors 1.5- 2 times as high as my test... with 0 libido issues

[Booz]

definately found that out....300-500 is sufficient for me with test usually run my 19-nors 1.5- 2 times as high as my test... with 0 libido issues

you got it mate................

[jnm]

so it wouldnt make sense to have to increase the doses in the future? can you run the same doses every cycle and get the same results.. or would you have to increase in increments.

[hugovsilva]

I am looking into this cycle:

Test prop - 50mg eod
Tren ace - 75mg ed
Mast prop - 60mg ed
Eq - 600mg/week

This is roughly 1720mg of AAS per week. And I don't think I am going overkill with neither one of them, keeping test to a minimum just for libido and mood support. I think it all comes down to your cycle history and the compounds being used.

[Brent_G]

ive got just as good of gains on 250mg/week test as 500mg/week as test. And i ran the 500mg cycle first.

[bpm1]

there is no set formula that works for everyone, that being said i think most people will see good gains on lower doses of AAS(less than a gram) if their diet and training are on point.more isnt always better, sometimes its just more

[Brent_G]

Yeah i think anthony roberts once said that..to much will "sludge up your system" something along those lines. I know it was more of an analogy. But i have always thought of that whenever i thought that i wanted to up the dosage.

I think patience is key in the world of aas use.

[bigwillystyle]

have never used more than 500mgs..even 300mgs has worked great

[jnm]

ive got just as good of gains on 250mg/week test as 500mg/week as test. And i ran the 500mg cycle first.

thats really interesting.. so 250/week worked just as good as 500/week.. and you ran the 500 first... very interesting

[Brent_G]

yeah... i stayed much drier too. I would do 250mg again anytime. And save the rest for later.

[jnm]

-------Testosterone injection stimulates net protein synthesis but not tissue amino acid transport.
Ferrando AA; Tipton KD; Doyle D; Phillips SM; Cortiella J; Wolfe RR

Department of Surgery, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, Texas 77550, USA.

Am J Physiol, 275(5 Pt 1):E864-71 1998 Nov


Abstract:

Testosterone administration (T) increases lean body mass and muscle protein synthesis.

We investigated the effects of short-term T on leg muscle protein kinetics and transport of selected amino acids by use of a model based on arteriovenous sampling and muscle biopsy. Fractional synthesis (FSR) and breakdown (FBR) rates of skeletal muscle protein were also directly calculated.

Seven healthy men were studied before and 5 days after intramuscular injection of 200 mg of testosterone enanthate. Protein synthesis increased twofold after injection (P < 0.05), whereas protein breakdown was unchanged. FSR and FBR calculations were in accordance, because FSR increased twofold (P < 0.05) without a concomitant change in FBR. Net balance between synthesis and breakdown became more positive with both methodologies (P < 0.05) and was not different from zero. T injection increased arteriovenous essential and nonessential nitrogen balance across the leg (P < 0.05) in the fasted state, without increasing amino acid transport. Thus T administration leads to an increased net protein synthesis and reutilization of intracellular amino acids in skeletal muscle. ----------


Since more testosterone increases protien synthesis, as well as nitrogen retention, wouldnt you think that more t in your cycles means more synthesis.. ? and eventually more muscle?

[Brent_G]

I think yes in theory. But everyone metabolizes it differently.

people with great genetics can shoot low doses and have amazingly high readings.

[jnm]

Hey Brent, was wondering if you plan on increasing your test dosages in your future cycles or do you feel comfortable with where your at? ive always thought that you start off low at around 400mgs/week of test then slowly increase it in your future cycles..

[Brent_G]

im actually running test right now with some tren. test is at 500 tren is 75mg eod. In one week ive already changed Alot.

Im going to keep the dosages there for a while and see what happens. Holding more water then i like.. Im sure its because of the test.

If anything ill back it down again.

I like starting low with everything i do and working my way up with each compound. Im gonna run 20ml of tren at 75mg eod. then my last 10ml im gonna double the dose and see what happens the last week and a half.

[vitor]

It depends what level youre at... if you are under or over your genetic limit.

Someone who is far from hes genetic limit could make greate gains of 500mg of test, while an advanced BB would probaly need 500mg ew yust to maintain the LBM he already got.

And some people has more open androgen recpters than others in the muscle, so all the androgen moleculs will be able to find an recepter to bind to , which is why certain indviduals gets dimminshing returns on a particular dosage, while someone else doesnt.

[Atomini]

Since more testosterone increases protien synthesis, as well as nitrogen retention, wouldnt you think that more t in your cycles means more synthesis.. ? and eventually more muscle?

No, because just like anything else in the human body, the body can only use so much of it at once. The same thing goes for testosterone. If what you said was true, then people could just easily use 1500mg/week and end up looking as big as Cutler. There are people who do that and it just doesn't happen. 300mg/week for 8 weeks put 27 lbs on me. There's no reason to use higher and higher and more dangerous dosages if you can get the same results with less (and you won't waste money while you're at it).

[Fletch3138]

Definitely some good info. I'm bridging between cycles right now with 250mg/week of test and was thinking about going up to 750mg/week of test on my next one, mixed in with EQ and Winny, but I think I will hold tight on the 750 and stay at 500. Good stuff guys!!

[CYP400]

I will tell you what, I hae done 500mg per week, 1 gram , 2 grams and 3 grams, nothing, nothing and I mean nothing will compare to 2 gram per week, you could just look at weights and grow, it is a fact

[vitor]

I will tell you what, I hae done 500mg per week, 1 gram , 2 grams and 3 grams, nothing, nothing and I mean nothing will compare to 2 gram per week, you could just look at weights and grow, it is a fact

Did you have any sides when going up to 2-3gram ew?

[CYP400]

yes at 3 grams of test alittle, that is why i said 2g test was great

[IFR]

listen, I have been competeing NPC for 8 years now and I stage at 257 at 310 in the off season, I use 500 a week with GH. I have two friends, one is a IFBB pro and the other jsut got his pro card, they both use 250 a week of test with GH. Diet is everything and you dont want to burn out your receptors by using to much all the time. No more than 500 a week I say.

[Booz]

Did you have any sides when going up to 2-3gram ew?

have ran more than that and no-sides at all..................

[ecto9]

ive got just as good of gains on 250mg/week test as 500mg/week as test. And i ran the 500mg cycle first.

That's good to hear, I wish to start at 250mg/wk for first cycle, see how it goes, then go to 500mg next time. Haven't started yet but it seems to me that one should start small doses, then as you get used to it up doses later time. I mean 250mg a week is more than natty levels huh?

[39+1]

you got it mate................

i always like to here from the guy in the UK
I use low doses and they work for me.
One threead had the Mr universe guy using two ml of sust 250 ED that was bs whats the use
at 40 im not on any magazines but i feel and look good with no labido problems.
evryone thinks this shit is magic. you still have to put the time in. I think it the intensity for which you work out is so much higher when your on than when your off, and if your intiensity isnt high when your on then you better get off because your getting into abuse

[Ashop]

I read somewhere that in order to make any real gains with anabolics, around 1 gram of anabolics is needed in the long run. In other words, an intermediate to advanced bodybuilder would need 1000mg of juice to make any real gains. And if you think about it, most guys would consider that amound a proper cycle. For instance,

A popular cycle:
500mg test
400mg decca=900mg

Or:
750mg test
500mg eq=1250mg

Do you guys buy into this theory?

I think it depends on what level your at as far as AAS, and training experience. dosage is very individual.

[steropower]

I will tell you what, I hae done 500mg per week, 1 gram , 2 grams and 3 grams, nothing, nothing and I mean nothing will compare to 2 gram per week, you could just look at weights and grow, it is a fact

I have done from 250mg/week up to 2g.Found out that over 1g is a waste(for me).Didn't gave me extra sides but not gains too.