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    Gear and Back Pain

    Hey bros,

    My lower back is killing me. Right down between my hips. Started shortly after a set of deads and went away for weeks. Then came back seemingly without cause about 3 weeks ago (had not been doing deads). I did a search for low back pain for some treatments and one of the recurring comments was that there may be some co-relation between low back pain and gear.

    I am on Test and Eq right now, about 9 weeks in, and dosing is 600mg Test and 400mg Eq per week. It was my understanding that orals were associated with painful back pumps due to kidney load, but I am not on any orals. Has anyone else experienced back pain related to gear?

    I am taking Milk Thistle daily and eating as cleanly as I can and keeping calories high. I am making crazy gains (bench is up 35 pounds in 9 weeks) and I have gained about 15 solid pounds so far.

    I am seeing a chiro / ART and going for a second visit tomorrow AM.

    Any comments or advise is appreciated...it is getting worse and it is starting to affect my training a little.

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    hows your a**ominal strength? whenever i have back problems i hit the abs hard and it usually goes away.

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    sounds to me your strength and muscle mass went up faster than your joints/tendon's ability to catch up (usually causing cramps, swelling, inflammation, etc..)... I would definitely scale down the weights a notch or at least maintain it for a few weeks without increasing poundage to give time for your lower back to catch up. Also, do a few warm up sets so there's more blood circulation to the area and less shock on the muscle.
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    Awesome guys, thanks for the advice. I was thinking the same thing Insane - my forearms ache after chest and arms as well - probably from increased poundage so quickly and bones, etc. trying to cope.

    Brent_G: thanks for the reminder about a**ominals. I probably need to do more work on them and will start as soon as I can without excessive pain - the thought of crunching right now makes me cringe as my back is really hurting.

    Thanks for the input. I was concerned that someone was going to chime in with more ominous ideas.

    BigJ

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    Trigger point therapy will also help a lot in releasing those muscles.

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    you are holding water

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYP400 View Post
    you are holding water
    You think???

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    water retention and back pain go together, some get it bad while some dont feel anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYP400 View Post
    water retention and back pain go together, some get it bad while some dont feel anything
    Stating an opinion, or in this case a random guess, as a fact can be dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    Stating an opinion, or in this case a random guess, as a fact can be dangerous.
    Poignant as usual.

    I still can't adjust to the avie John...waitin' on the change!
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Poignant as usual.

    I still can't adjust to the avie John...waitin' on the change!
    You like this more? eh? gobble-gobble..

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    where exactly are you getting these pains on your back mate??
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    did i hear gobble gobble????

    cum get me big boy...................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    You like this more? eh? gobble-gobble..
    Ug Charlie Brown.

    Although you should be commended for seasonal appropriateness, and a step up from the skull, is that really how you want to be visually represented?
    Not to mention that limp wattle, the piece hanging off the beak...there are women here Johny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Ug Charlie Brown.

    Although you should be commended for seasonal appropriateness, and a step up from the skull, is that really how you want to be visually represented?
    Not to mention that limp wattle, the piece hanging off the beak...there are women here Johny!
    Im married...lol. I dont care! Fine its changing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    Im married...lol. I dont care! Fine its changing...
    Ah, the classics...they never go out of style!
    Now that's an avie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Ah, the classics...they never go out of style!
    my uncle

    6'4 275lbs. I wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    my uncle

    6'4 275lbs. I wish.
    I'd buy 6'2'' 240lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    I'd buy 6'2'' 240lbs.
    hater

    He got to 240ish when he cut. Most likely that he is close to that in that avy. However, I know for fact that he is 6-4. He didnt compete, but was in several hollywood movies.

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