Starting 3rd Cycle In January Need Advice

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 03:21 AM

I have not posted in a while but anyways. I have 20 amps of test E 250mg per amp, 10ml Vial of Boldenona-e aka Equipoise 250mg per ml, Sustamed 250 which is a test mix of -30mg test prop -60mg test isocaproate -60 mg of test phenylpropionate and -100mg of test decanoate. I also have about 50 winny tablets 50mg that I plan on taking during the beginning to help jumpstart the cycle. In addition I have some clen I was thinking about running late in the cycle to help cut.

I usually have done a 10 week cycle 500mg test e a week mixed with winstrol or deca depending on the cycle. But I am willing to stretch this cycle out a little longer than the previous ones.

I have never taken this many compounds at once so I am wondering how one of you vets would advise splitting up the cycle. I plan on running the usual 500mg a week of test E and perhaps 250mg a week of the eq. Or should I do 500mg a week of the eq for 5 weeks?

Please any advice on how I should conduct this cycle would be appreciated. And YES I do have my pct supps ready clomid and letro and some hcg if needed. Ok thanks for any help you can lend.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 03:14 PM

Bump

**Amorphic** · 11-17-2007, 03:18 PM

hmm. what are your goals for this cycle? cutting? lean bulk?

i wouldnt bother running sust and test e together, not really much of a point putting 2 tests together i dont think.

250 of eq a week isnt going to do anything, you have to run around 5-600mg/w to see results.

i think you need to clarify what your goals are with this cycle so we can change it accordingly

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 04:17 PM

Just a nice lean bulk, I will save the hardcore cutting for summer time. I just want to gain some good mass without getting too bloated. Thats why I was considering doing 500mg ew of the EQ. You dont think mixing the tests would be beneficial? Dont some esters work quicker than others for the beginning stages of the cycle like prop? Any ways please fill me in on the best possible set up. Thanks

**Amorphic** · 11-17-2007, 04:18 PM

i would just run

test e 500mg/w 1-12
eq 600mg/w 1-12
arimidex on hand in case of gyno followed by proper pct

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 05:15 PM

i dont have enough test e for 12 weeks, i only have 20 amps which would only last 10 weeks. And 1 vial of eq 10ml 250mg per ml which equals about 5 weeks worth @ 500mg a week.

**Amorphic** · 11-17-2007, 05:16 PM

i would hold off then. get enough gear so you can run a proper cycle.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 05:56 PM

You dont think I can pull off a proper cycle with the gear mentioned?

**Amorphic** · 11-17-2007, 06:00 PM

i wouldnt be bothering with 5 weeks of eq.

sure you could run test e for 10 weeks and run 5 weeks of eq but i dont think it would be worth starting a cycle for.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Not even if I stacked winny with it for 7 weeks. Like test e 500mg ew for 10 weeks, 50mg ed of winny for 7 weeks and 500 ew of EQ for 5 weeks?

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 06:32 PM

And I should not stack tests? not even like 250mg EW of the sustamed on top of the test e.

**Amorphic** · 11-17-2007, 06:38 PM

i wouldnt stack the tests, i dont see a point. test is test, sust is just test and it wont be increasing your gains, not to mention sust has to be shot ed or eod for stable blood levels.

other will chime in on this

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 06:48 PM

Ok more chiming please

**hugovsilva** · 11-17-2007, 06:50 PM

1-10: test e @ 500mg/week
11-12: sustamed @ 500mg/week
10-15: winstrol @ 50mg ed

This is what I would do with the gear you have. You don't have enough equipoise for 1 cycle.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 06:57 PM

Ok well I will save the EQ and get another vial for next cycle. Since I have 10ml of sust shouldnt I run it for 5 weeks along with the winny.

Like 500mg ew of test e for 10 weeks 1-10, 500mg ew of sust for 5 weeks 11-15, and Winny 50mg ED weeks 11-15. Does that sound logical?

**hugovsilva** · 11-17-2007, 07:05 PM

I am not a big fan of mixing esters in a cycle, but you can do that.

As for doing sust until week 15, you would have to adjust the way you run winny in order for pct times to match. Since sust has 100mg of decanoate, that will only clear around 3 weeks past the last shot, so since winny clears in about 2 days, you need to play with that so that pct times match.

If yoy run sust to week 15 you need to finish winny by week 18.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 07:10 PM

Well I have enough winny for 7 weeks

**hugovsilva** · 11-17-2007, 07:15 PM

So you want to run an 18 weeker.

Have a strong pct prepared because you will be shut down.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 07:28 PM

Well its not set in stone I just wanted suggestions.

**football2007** · 11-17-2007, 07:47 PM

I'd get the bodyfat down first..

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 07:59 PM

Thats not a current pic. I have heard that before trust me. I will be below 15% by Jan.

**5ifthCitizen** · 11-17-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

hmm. what are your goals for this cycle? cutting? lean bulk?

i wouldnt bother running sust and test e together, not really much of a point putting 2 tests together i dont think.

250 of eq a week isnt going to do anything, you have to run around 5-600mg/w to see results.

i think you need to clarify what your goals are with this cycle so we can change it accordingly

Originally Posted by GGallin

And I should not stack tests? not even like 250mg EW of the sustamed on top of the test e.

Originally Posted by hugovsilva

1-10: test e @ 500mg/week
11-12: sustamed @ 500mg/week
10-15: winstrol @ 50mg ed

This is what I would do with the gear you have. You don't have enough equipoise for 1 cycle.

Originally Posted by GGallin

Ok well I will save the EQ and get another vial for next cycle. Since I have 10ml of sust shouldnt I run it for 5 weeks along with the winny.

Like 500mg ew of test e for 10 weeks 1-10, 500mg ew of sust for 5 weeks 11-15, and Winny 50mg ED weeks 11-15. Does that sound logical?

i don't think 5-600 is totally necessary, if u wanna run the eq u could go ahead and run it like 350mg/week for 7 weeks. i run short cycles of test and deca all the time, just depends on how u respond to it.

as far as the sust and test goes, yea the whole point of sus it to run it at the beginning to get the fast acting prop in ur system first, there's no point in starting with test e or c and waiting several weeks for it to get into ur system and then starting the fast acting sust (prop) esters.

a better cycle would be to start out with the sus for a few weeks (and the eq if you still want to do it for 7 weeks) and then begin with the test e at week 5 or so til the end this way the deca from the sus is out of ur system because u stopped it at week 5 or so and the eq is out of ur system and ur just finishing with test e and winny. and figure out when u wanna do the winny at the END not the beginning.

**GGallin** · 11-17-2007, 10:49 PM

That makes sense. I always hear sust was a good starter because the prop is a faster acting Test to kick start the cycle and then I can switch over to test e later.

**football2007** · 11-18-2007, 01:38 AM

I've never ran EQ myself but I've had several close friends run it all at 600 and I think 350 for 7 weeks would be a huge waste of time.

Better off to grab some more when you can do it correctly..

**5ifthCitizen** · 11-18-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by football2007

I've never ran EQ myself but I've had several close friends run it all at 600 and I think 350 for 7 weeks would be a huge waste of time.

Better off to grab some more when you can do it correctly..

thats special bud, but unless u can speak of personal experience with low doses u can't really say anything about it. i only use low doses, never go above 400mg/week of anything and it works well for me.

not to say that it works well for everybody but don't write it off til u try it.

**Booz** · 11-18-2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by 5ifthCitizen

thats special bud, but unless u can speak of personal experience with low doses u can't really say anything about it. i only use low doses, never go above 400mg/week of anything and it works well for me.

not to say that it works well for everybody but don't write it off til u try it.

you are quite correct there mate but as for eq the other member is quite correct,equipoise is one of the weaker compounds that we use and as such you will not normally see much in the way of gains if ran under 5-600mg weekly and as you will not see any significant gains till around the 8 week mark it should thus be ran for a minimum of 12 or so weeks.............
now if you have used this and have had significant gains below the 400mg mark then all power to you...................

**football2007** · 11-19-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Booz

you are quite correct there mate but as for eq the other member is quite correct,equipoise is one of the weaker compounds that we use and as such you will not normally see much in the way of gains if ran under 5-600mg weekly and as you will not see any significant gains till around the 8 week mark it should thus be ran for a minimum of 12 or so weeks.............
now if you have used this and have had significant gains below the 400mg mark then all power to you...................

couldnt have said it better.

Originally Posted by 5ifthCitizen

thats special bud, but unless u can speak of personal experience with low doses u can't really say anything about it. i only use low doses, never go above 400mg/week of anything and it works well for me.

not to say that it works well for everybody but don't write it off til u try it.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-19-2007, 02:41 AM

your cycle should not be dictated by what you have left over. Spend some more $ and create a proper cycle. EQ is weak and long estered so you will need to either buy some more or forget about it. 5 weeks of EQ ia just a waste of time. 600mg EW for 12 weeks would be more like it and even then dont expect to see much...

**ChuckLee** · 11-19-2007, 04:42 AM

If you wanna use the gears you already have, and nothing more, I'll go like this:

Weeks 1-10: Test E 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-4: Sust 250mg/wk (as a kickstarter)
Weeks 5-10: Winny 50mg/day + Clen 140mcg/day

.CL

**GGallin** · 11-19-2007, 04:10 PM

Ok well I will save the EQ. Wouldnt it be smarter though to run the sust throughout the cycle though to keep my blood levels consistant considering that it would mean dropping 1/3 of my test levels 1/2 way through the cycle. I have never taken more than 500mg a week of test so it wouldnt hurt to up the dose would it. So 500mg test E ew, 250mg ew of sust and then run 50mg ed of winny for 7 weeks. That sounds like my best option otherwise I am gonna have 5ml of sust sitting around for no reason when I could just finnish it off plus with stacking the supps all together should be a good cycle for some decent gains.