Bertos First cyle "gitin er dun"... lemme know what u think!

[BigBerto]

Cycle One. Cut. Review and Suggestions Please.

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Stats and History:
23 years
5'9"
183lbs
B.F. Approx. 16%-17%
Weight training 6 years (on/off for first 5)

Diet was dialed in over the last year, went from 213lbs down to 183lbs naturally no sups what so ever.

Current traing regimen (likely remain the same as when on cycle but with much more intesity)

Sun Weight Training
Mon Boxing
Tues Weight Training
Wed Boxing
Thurs Boxing
Fri Weight Training
Sat Off (Boxing if i need something to do)

Details of Exercises for Weight Training(3day split) and Boxing Workouts can be supplied on request. Too much typing lol.

Goals:

Drop BF% to within the 10% range
Build some quality lean mass
Improve Definition
Retain gains to the best of my ability.

Now... Lets Get On With It!

Weeks
1-10 Test Enanthate 500mg/week
1-4 Anavar 50mg ED
7-10 Winstrol 50mg ED
3-4, 6-7, 9-10 Clen 100mcg ED
6-10 T3 75mcg ED
1-10 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1-10 Arimidex 0.5mg ED

PCT
12-13 Nolvadex 40mg ED Clomid 100mg ED
13-14 Nolvadex 20mg ED Clomid 50mg ED

Question 1 : Would u consider this cycle one to require the use of HCG? If so how should it be included?

Question 2 : As far as Organ protection and beneficial sups go with relation to the orals, any suggestions?


Note : as far as the clen and t3 go, i decided on these dosages from much research and analysis of others cycles and posting on this forum, and many others resources. I understand that everyone reacts differently to clen, and one should only take as much as he can handle, learining by increasing dosages gradually. Im in the habbit of knowing what i get myself into, and have been studying up and researching the use of anabolic/androgenic steroids for years(I shit u not). By no means do i know it all, which is why im here, looking for insight from people with experience who KNOW THEIR SHIT!

[Amorphic]

for a first cycle it is a bit much. I would just run the test e and anavar, theres no need to start jumping the gun adding more compounds because more doesnt necessarily equate to better.

See how you feel on test and anavar or just test alone, you will make great gains provided your diet and training are in check.

i dont think hcg is necessary for this cycle, others may disagree or have other opinions.

anavar is harsh on your lipid profile, are you planning on using oral or injectable winstrol?

also, 2 weeks of pct isnt enough, bump it to 4

[BigBerto]

for a first cycle it is a bit much. I would just run the test e and anavar, theres no need to start jumping the gun adding more compounds because more doesnt necessarily equate to better.

See how you feel on test and anavar or just test alone, you will make great gains provided your diet and training are in check.

i dont think hcg is necessary for this cycle, others may disagree or have other opinions.

anavar is harsh on your lipid profile, are you planning on using oral or injectable winstrol?

also, 2 weeks of pct isnt enough, bump it to 4

thanks for the reply Amorphic, as for the winstrol i was going for the oral version, its all i have available to me where im at. as this is being my 1st cycle, as far as the orals go, i could bump the dosages down, i just want to be sure i will get all the benifits at a lower dose. this being my 1st cycle, ill be playin it safe, if by week 7 im happy with the way things are going, i might just drop the winny all together...ill have to see wut happens. any thoughts on the clen t3 specifically? dasages, personal experience?

[BigBerto]

oh yea, and i will bump the pct to 4 weeks...

[ChuckLee]

I think you can run all those gears even for a first cycle.
If you are going to run clen with the on/off protocol make sure on and off time are the same (2 weeks on / 2 off). Clen is one of the most difficult compound to understand, so just try that way and see what happens. For the rest it looks good for me.
CL

[Geeezer]

1-4 Anavar 50mg ED
7-10 Winstrol 50mg ED
3-4, 6-7, 9-10 Clen 100mcg ED
6-10 T3 75mcg ED
Save your money on the above I would stick with the test
4 weeks of D -ball would be a good jump on the cycle

[BigBerto]

1-4 Anavar 50mg ED
7-10 Winstrol 50mg ED
3-4, 6-7, 9-10 Clen 100mcg ED
6-10 T3 75mcg ED
Save your money on the above I would stick with the test
4 weeks of D -ball would be a good jump on the cycle

thanks for ur 2 cents, altthough i was under the impression that dbol was not a cutting substance. My goals arent to add too much weight as i am a boxer and i would actually prefer to drop a few(weight class diff), but to maybe add a few pounds muscle while peeling the same or more amount off in fat. Im not sure that this could be accomplished in a test dbol cycle, but if u feel differently, im more then willing to take your advice. thanks again

[BigBerto]

I think you can run all those gears even for a first cycle.
If you are going to run clen with the on/off protocol make sure on and off time are the same (2 weeks on / 2 off). Clen is one of the most difficult compound to understand, so just try that way and see what happens. For the rest it looks good for me.
CL

thanks chucklee, i will make sure to run the clen as u suggested. i have little experience with thw substance and want to take all the right precautions, no need to gt hurt. thanks for the imput

[Amorphic]

if you're a boxer and your just run a test only cycle, you will still pack on a lot of weight

[RBIZZY]

and to your question about suppliments for your organs sake, try milk thistle extract. it will help with all the toxins going threw your liver...... take it every day.

[BigBerto]

milk thistle i will use for sure, also if i were to bump the pct from 2 to 4 weeks... whay kind of dosages of nolva/clomid should i be using throughout?

cycle is scheduled to start jan 1st, going to mexico for a few weeks in may, so im tryin to plan it so that my pct is completed just prior to departure...

[Amorphic]

pct should be 4 weeks. check out the pct forum, they have pcts lined up with dosages and everything.

[green22]

Well that looks good. But I dont think it needs to be that complicated. The drugs you list test, anavar and winny is all you need. Then a proper PCT. You just got it way to complicated, but hey you done your homework thats for sure. Once you get more cycle experi. you will find that its not that hard.

[BigBerto]

Well that looks good. But I dont think it needs to be that complicated. The drugs you list test, anavar and winny is all you need. Then a proper PCT. You just got it way to complicated, but hey you done your homework thats for sure. Once you get more cycle experi. you will find that its not that hard.

thanks for the feedback green22... ur probubly right, it does seem a little complicated, and ive been doing some thinking about the addition of the clen t3 to this cycle, and i may go the route of just an eca stack, or some other thermogenic instead for the additional fat burning qualities(really i am not 100% certain which way i wanna go yet).... it is my 1st cycle, so i agree it would be wise to keep the number of substances down. Although i know the clen t3 is much more effective then any OTC thermogenic, which is why its up in the air.

[green22]

no prob man. PM if ya got any more questions. remember Keep It Simple

[Booz]

i agree with Amorphic that test is good enough for a 1st cycle..........
that being said if you are going to run the winny at the end at least run it correctly,im suprised none of the ''GURUS'' here picked this out.........
change the winny from 7-10 and run it 2 weeks past the last shot of the test,when you finish the winny then you can directly start your clomid/pct therapy...........
this way you will harden up your gains right up2 when the test is out your system.........

[Amorphic]

i agree with Amorphic that test is good enough for a 1st cycle..........
that being said if you are going to run the winny at the end at least run it correctly,im suprised none of the ''GURUS'' here picked this out.........
change the winny from 7-10 and run it 2 weeks past the last shot of the test,when you finish the winny then you can directly start your clomid/pct therapy...........
this way you will harden up your gains right up2 when the test is out your system.........

good imput Booz

[BigBerto]

i agree with Amorphic that test is good enough for a 1st cycle..........
that being said if you are going to run the winny at the end at least run it correctly,im suprised none of the ''GURUS'' here picked this out.........
change the winny from 7-10 and run it 2 weeks past the last shot of the test,when you finish the winny then you can directly start your clomid/pct therapy...........
this way you will harden up your gains right up2 when the test is out your system.........

Thanks for the input, im in the process of revising my cycle right now. ive taken all suggestions and critiques into consideration, and i will post the revised cycle a little later. i will be changing the time frame on the winny to better befinit me in this cycle as per your info. as well as simplifying by dropping the clen t3 in place for a simple OTC thermogenic. once again thanks for the advice.

[BigBerto]

CYCLE REVISION


1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 Anavar 50mg ED
8-12 Winstrol 50mg ED
1-12 nolva 10 mg ED
1-12 Arimidex 0.5mg ED

PCT
12-14 nolva 40mg ED Clomid 100mg ED
14-16 nolva 20mg ED Clomid 50mg ED

Hows it lookin? Gettin Closer?

[Amorphic]

you're getting there.

i would take out the arimidex on cycle, keep it on hand in case you are gyno sensitive. Running nolva and arimidex through the entire thing may inhibit your gains.

run the nolva, and if you feel itchy nipples or sensitivity, throw in the arimidex.

clomid is known to be harsh on pct. many people have issues with tracers in their vision and emotional problems.

nolva with aromasin at 10-15mg a day would be better i think.

personal preference though, others with chime in

[BigBerto]

you're getting there.

i would take out the arimidex on cycle, keep it on hand in case you are gyno sensitive. Running nolva and arimidex through the entire thing may inhibit your gains.

run the nolva, and if you feel itchy nipples or sensitivity, throw in the arimidex.

clomid is known to be harsh on pct. many people have issues with tracers in their vision and emotional problems.

nolva with aromasin at 10-15mg a day would be better i think.

personal preference though, others with chime in

Agreed, i read up on the nolva and aromasin, and by all acounts it seems to work great. only thing is, it generally comes in 25 mg tablets, so would half of one be enough, and would a whole tab be too much. trying to keep dosing as simple as possible, ha

[Amorphic]

people report that they get achey if they take too much aromasin, as it will drop your estrogen levels which can result in soreness and aches.

you can always get your aromasin in liquid form from ar-r, that way the dosing is very simple and you can vary your dose depending on sides

[BigBerto]

people report that they get achey if they take too much aromasin, as it will drop your estrogen levels which can result in soreness and aches.

you can always get your aromasin in liquid form from ar-r, that way the dosing is very simple and you can vary your dose depending on sides

You da man Amorphic, i cant begin to tell yea how helpful youve been. Thanks for all the the help thus far.

[BigBerto]

anybody have any suggestions concerning the effects on lipid profile from anavar and how to counter/minimize such effects?