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    Planning next cycle: need advices

    Hi ya all.
    I'm planning a cycle for the next year (a serious one this time) and need some advices.

    My stats:
    24 yo
    212 lbs
    18% bf

    Previous experiences:
    1st cycle: Sust 250mg x 8 weeks + Deca 200 mg x 8 weeks + Poor PCT (you can guess the gains...)
    2nd cycle: Sust 500mg x 8 weeks + Deca 400 mg x 8 weeks + Dbol 20 mg x 4 weeks + another poor PCT, my bad...

    I'm not going to repeat my errors (cycle lenght, PCT), I'm learning from them, so I'm about to plan a new cycle as follow:

    Test C : 400 mg/week for 10 weeks
    Adrol : 100 mg/day for 6 weeks

    PCT:
    Start 2.5 weeks after last shot
    Nolva 40 mg/day for 2 weeks, then 20 mg/day for 2 weeks
    HCG 5000 IU/week for 3 weeks

    Comments:
    Maybe I'd have to bump the test 500 mg/week for 12 weeks?
    Thinking to add winny at 50mg/day the last 4 weeks to harden up...
    I know Clomid should be better than HCG but I've already HCG at hand and I'm afraid on Clomid sides on my sight...
    For the diet I'll plan it right before start, cause I'm going to lean out before and see how my bf will be before starting the gears.
    I also know the need for an AI, but other times I've never noticed high water retention or gyno sympthoms, so I was thinking that maybe I don't need 'em..

    Any suggest/advice/critique will be apreciated.
    Thanks.
    CL

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    C'mon 31 views and no reply...
    Maybe I'd have to start my thread on a title as "NEED HELP!!! WARNING!!! URGENT PLEASE!!!"...
    Greetings.
    CL

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    ^^^No bro, no need for that!

    anyways, my humble opinion in bold

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckLee View Post

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    Maybe I'd have to bump the test 500 mg/week for 12 weeks?If test c is the only injectable then yes, you would do well to bump it up...
    Thinking to add winny at 50mg/day the last 4 weeks to harden up...Are you cutting or bulking? Winny is good for hardening up when cutting IMHO...there are better compounds to harden gains when bulking
    I know Clomid should be better than HCG but I've already HCG at hand and I'm afraid on Clomid sides on my sight...Then use HCG!
    For the diet I'll plan it right before start, cause I'm going to lean out before and see how my bf will be before starting the gears.good, good!
    I also know the need for an AI, but other times I've never noticed high water retention or gyno sympthoms, so I was thinking that maybe I don't need 'em..
    Trust me, you need them on hand. Make sure have a good PCT planned out this time.

    Any suggest/advice/critique will be apreciated.
    Thanks.
    CL
    cheers
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    Thank you insane, finally you came!!!
    I'd want to bulk, but not gaining fat anymore, or better even reduce it (this should be my first goal, lean mass, but plenty of it!).
    So which other compound instead of winny should harden up in my bulk cycle?
    Maybe EQ or Primo?
    P.S. I've wrote down my PCT in the first post...

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    ^^^gotcha about PCT... don't forget to add aromasin in if you can (ala Anthony Robert's PCT).... and vitamin E as well with the hcg

    and yes, EQ would be my first choice, followed by primo... they're not the best mass builders IMO, but definitely helps you solidify your gains!

    cheers mate

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    Right, I'll follow Anthony's PCT.
    So adding the EQ my cycle will turn:

    Test E/C : 500 mg/week for 12 weeks
    EQ : 400 mg/week for 10 weeks
    Adrol : 100 mg/day for 6 weeks

    Is EQ a 19-nor? So do I have to stop it 2 weeks before test?
    Thanks again.
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    Looks good...just take care of your liver...6 weeks of anadrol is no joke....I had to quit at week 4 with only 50mg because I was nauseated most of the day!!

    EQ is a derivative/permutation of deca , acts like a DHT but binds to androgenic receptors....so its kinda hard to classify really IMO

    stopping 2 weeks before test is good.... EQ has quite a long half life

    cheers

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    Ok, another one: can I combine both compounds in the same syringe when I have to inject every 3.5 days?

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