Bulking cycle with A-bombs, d-bol and test

[Referee]

Hi guyz,

This is my first post so don't be too harsh on me.
I've read and learned a lot in these forums (fora) but I would like some comments on my next cycle from some of the experienced users here.

I'm 28yo, 210lbs and 5"94'. This will be my 5th cycle starting on Jan 21st 2008.
I've been training for 7years on and off and in my previous cycles I've used mostly Deca and d-bol.

I got my hands on some genuine Turkish Anapolon which is prolly the best of a-bombs as far as I know and I need to stack them with some test. With 50mg/ed my supply can last for 6 weeks although I've decided to go with 4.

This is the cycle I was thinking:

Week1-4: Anapolon 50mg/ED
Week1-9: Test Enanthate 500mg/EW
Week5-9: Dianabol 40mg/ED
Week10-12: Test Propionate 100mg/ED
Week 1-15: Nolvadex 20mg/ED

PCT
Week 11-13: HCG 500iu/ETD (every third day)
Week 13-15: Clomid 300mg for day 1, 150mg/ED for days 2-7 and 100mg/ED till end

As you can see Anapolon will be used as a kickstart.
I have put Test prop for the last 3 weeks of the cycle to prepare for PCT.

I'm a little worried on the duration of the long ester test cause given that the actual test will be released approx after 8 weeks of initial shot it will actually be in my system on weeks only on week 9 decreasing gradually over the next 3 weeks where I will be shooting the prop.

The d-bols where thrown to compensate for the time between the Anapolon and the released test.

I'm also thinking on extending the cycle to 15weeks (excluding PCT) which will translate to week 1-12 for test enan and 5-12 for d-bol.

EQ was also on my mind but I think I will leave it for the next one.

This may be a bulking cycle but of course as many of you might agree the goal is lean mass gains and not water or any kind of bloating.
Certainly Anapolon and d-bol contradicts that but I'm hoping through proper diet and increased cardio I will manage to keep it to a minimum.

Regarding PCT the plan is to prepare for it with test prop for the last 3 weeks, as stated above, and also HCG for the last week of the cycle as well as for the first two weeks of PCT.
I've read and heard stories of running HCG during the whole cycle in order to prevent the shrinkage but I'm not convinced yet.

I would appreciate any thoughts, comments or advise on the above people.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

-you dont need the dbol IMHO, extend anapolan by another week if you can handle it

-you need to have an AI like letro or adex on hand in case your estrogen levels spiral out of control

-HCG 500iu E3D is too less and too far between IMO..I would at least do it EOD..ED would be ideal

cheers

[millionairemurph]

no need for 9 wees of orals... if your other cyces have looked ike this then i woud say use prop for 10 weeks wit te abombs and npp

[ChuckLee]

Instead on using orals for all those week I'd bump Adrol at 100 mg/day for the first 6 weeks.
HCG at 1000IU/week is too little, it has to be at least 5000IU/week, take a look @ Anthony Roberts PCT.
For the prop I've already read someone does it that way, but I've never tried before...
CL

[Referee]

I agree with your HCG comments guyz and I might run it at 750iu/ED which is just half of the 1500iu amp and also 5250 total per week as 'ChuckLee' suggested.

Indeed 10weeks of orals might be too much, especially when the drol is in play. Since my adrol supplies is only 2000 mg (40tabs x 50mg) I might go pyramid with the drol (week1&4: 50mg/ED, week2&3:100mg/ED - total 2100mg (minus two days )

Millionairemurph, I've never used npp before but I always wanted to give it a try, I'm not sure if I could get my hands on it though. If yes then I will put that in place of dbol.

I read about Arimidex and Letrozole 'InsaneInTheMembrane' but I thought Nolva would do the trick, but then again maybe the estrogen levels will go crazy with adrol..will try to find one of them just in case as you suggest.

I only put D-bol to compensate with the test gap between week 5-8 which is just before the enanthate kicks in. Given Anapolon's extremely short half-life I'd hate to see any of of those gains disappear.
I know those two are a bit similar compounds (Anadrol vs Methandrostenolone) but I couldn't afford or dare to run Anapolon for more than 6 weeks.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think dbol's effects are shown approx after 1-2 weeks.
So on second thoughts I could extend Anapolon for 1 more week (downwards) as well as dbol (upwards).

Example (only dbol and adrol shown):
Week1-5: Anapolon 50mg/ED
Week4-9: Dianabol 40mg/ED

Wouldn't this allow for the dbol to build up and take effect just when Anapolon is out of the system or is it a bit overkill?

thx for your comments so far guyz.

[cache49]

Way too much oral IMO. Hope you ordered a spare liver with ur gear... run the Abombs for 4-5 weeks, se how you feel. Then I would drop them all together and just run the test. Should have good gains from that, with less stress on your body and a few extra bucks in your pocket. JMHO. Good luck.

[ChuckLee]

I agree with your HCG comment and will run it at 500iu/ED. Clever

I read about Arimidex and Letrozole but I thought Nolva would do the trick, but then again maybe the estrogen levels will go crazy with adrol..will try to find one of them just in case as you suggest. Add Letro if you'll need during cycle

I only put D-bol to compensate with the test gap between week 5-8 which is just before the enanthate kicks in. Given Anapolon's extremely short half-life I'd hate to see any of of those gains disappear. It's the reason why run it for 6 weeks instead of 4 only, when the test has already start to kick in
I know those two are a bit similar compounds (Anadrol vs Methandrostenolone) but I couldn't afford or dare to run Anapolon for more than 6 weeks. 5-6 weeks are enough
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think dbol's effects are shown approx after 1-2 weeks. For someone, but it's not usual for me
So on second thoughts I could extend Anapolon for 1 more week (downwards) as well as dbol (upwards).

Example (only dbol and adrol shown):
Week1-5: Anapolon 50mg/ED
Week4-9: Dianabol 40mg/ED

Wouldn't this allow for the dbol to build up and take effect just when Anapolon is out of the system or is it a bit overkill? It's a liver OVERKILL, as you said, don't make yourself a yellow-skinned guy

thx for your comments so far.

Comments in bold.
Cheers.
CL

[Referee]

ok, too many agree that is too much oral and I'm not risking it.....
will drop dbol cause I wouldn't find a spare liver on the market 'cache49'

Also, I will see how it goes with adrol and I might go with 6 weeks at 50mg/ED in order to leave only 2 weeks before test kicks in. I don't think I could find more of that to double it at 100mg/ED for 6 weeks.

Another solution would be to go pyramid with it as stated above but I don't know how good adrol reacts to that or if it's a waste.

Since I've never taken test before in this form I'm hoping for good results given the kickstart with the abombs and at least +15lbs of good gains.

[ChuckLee]

Piramid is a waste of gears IMO.

Good luck with your journey!
CL

[BG]

Didnt see much liver protection in there. Plus absorpution of those are low. Becareful, save some of the orals for next time, no need to rush, they dont build actual muscle just fill muscle with water like creatine so it temporary size and strength. By dieting better, rest and training harder you'll acheive more with less drugs and strain on your body that you with eventually have to deal with when you get older.

[BG]

Piramid is a waste of gears IMO.

Good luck with your journey!
CL

Pyramid cycles work great, but need to be ran with short esters or long cycles with longer esters.

[Referee]

My bad 'T.R.D.', liver protection will of course be included for the adrols it's just that forgot to mention them.

This cycle and maybe a couple of milder towards the end of this year will prolly be my last ones since I will soon enough need to reconsider my life goals and start making room for a new family member.

[CheddaNips]

Way too much oral IMO. Hope you ordered a spare liver with ur gear... run the Abombs for 4-5 weeks, se how you feel. Then I would drop them all together and just run the test. Should have good gains from that, with less stress on your body and a few extra bucks in your pocket. JMHO. Good luck.

im gettin killer pains from 40mg of d-bol a day. i couldnt imagine Drol and d-bol

[Referee]

Hey all,
Bumping up my thread as I'm planning on starting the cycle on Monday and I would appreciate your thoughts.
I did a few mods to my original plans as I couldn't get my hands on test prop so I had to extend test e for another 3 weeks.
Also dbol seemed like overkill as most of you suggested so it was left out.

Summing all up:
Week1-4: Anapolon 50mg/ed (w/ Milk Thistle)
Week1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg/e5d

Anthony Roberts PCT (10 days after last shot):
Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

Questions:
1) I have not included any AI for use during the cycle as I have not decided if it's going to be needed or it will just simply reduce my gains. My thoughts go back and forth between starting Letro or Arimidex 1 week prior to the beginning of the cycle OR just have it in hand in case I need it.
What are your thoughts about it for this particular cycle?

2) My sex drive is very important to me (as is for anyone I know for that matter). If it's going to be affected at all it's only going to increase right?

3) I thought of splitting the doses of test e to 250mg every 5 days instead of having one shot of 500mg ew for better.

4) Another thought is to double the test e dosage and reach 1g (or 500mg e5d). Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.