Why does tren kill your cardio?

**graeme87** · 11-28-2007, 07:21 AM

I think the title says it all.

**JasonR** · 11-28-2007, 08:08 AM

i can only guess that when stacking 500mg of tren , 750 mg of test and an oral in a cycle, ur gonna have shitloads of water and weights gains that will act like weights on your body, this will **** up cardio and speed- but will be good for weightwork.

**millionairemurph** · 11-28-2007, 10:33 AM

i disagree^^^^^^^. I have been asking this same question, trying to find something to combat it. I have ZERO water weight gained on tren , in fact i lose all of my water weight and drop a ton of fat. So thats not it. Maybe its just the stress that t puts on your whole body having to churn out that much lean muscle. Think of it this way, tren is doing more "work" for you than any other aas, burning fat better than anything ive ever seen, shedding water weight fast, building lean muscle fast and adding a ton of strength. This has to be taxing on your body. Maybe thats why cardio suffers.
Maybe merc or someone can chime in here, id love to know why and how to combat it.

btw im running halo with my tren this next run to try to combat some of the cardio killing, ill post

**Johny-too-small** · 11-28-2007, 10:34 AM

I never had an issue w/ cardio when running tren , however, walking up stairs seemed to be a lot more of a pain in the ass.

**deez.nutz** · 11-28-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by millionairemurph

i disagree^^^^^^^. I have been asking this same question, trying to find something to combat it. I have ZERO water weight gained on tren , in fact i lose all of my water weight and drop a ton of fat. So thats not it. Maybe its just the stress that t puts on your whole body having to churn out that much lean muscle. Think of it this way, tren is doing more "work" for you than any other aas, burning fat better than anything ive ever seen, shedding water weight fast, building lean muscle fast and adding a ton of strength. This has to be taxing on your body. Maybe thats why cardio suffers.
Maybe merc or someone can chime in here, id love to know why and how to combat it.

btw im running halo with my tren this next run to try to combat some of the cardio killing, ill post

what ur saying makes a lot of sense. Keep us posted as to what effect halo has.

**Bigmax** · 11-28-2007, 11:03 AM

This is not proven but is something that is being looked into...apparently tren can cause red blood cell counts to be lowered...YES i know in the profile it says that tren raises RBC count...however after speaking to several known BBers and athletes...it was shown after blood work that their RBC count was alarmingly low...Low RBC means weaker and less energy...

**graeme87** · 11-28-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

This is not proven but is something that is being looked into...apparently tren can cause red blood cell counts to be lowered...YES i know in the profile it says that tren raises RBC count...however after speaking to several known BBers and athletes...it was shown after blood work that their RBC count was alarmingly low...Low RBC means weaker and less energy...

Interesting, in that case I will have blood work done within the next week or two to see if my RBC count has been affected.

**Bigmax** · 11-28-2007, 11:43 AM

Do that bro and let us know...

**graeme87** · 11-28-2007, 11:44 AM

ps. why would halo help cardio?

**graeme87** · 11-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Do that bro and let us know...

I will do mate, next week will be my 5th week on a tren only cycle I’m not sure that will be long enough to see the effects but will try any way. I’ll also have blood work done at the end of my cycle too.

It would be very interesting if this theory turns out to be true.

**magic32** · 11-28-2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

I never had an issue w/ cardio when running tren, however, walking up stairs seemed to be a lot more of a pain in the ass.

^^^Same here, minus the stairs part. No adverse cardio effects when on a stack that included 500mgs EW of Tren E for 10wks.

**Bigmax** · 11-28-2007, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by graeme87

ps. why would halo help cardio?

In my opinion it wouldnt!!!

**millionairemurph** · 11-28-2007, 01:21 PM

i have read that halo gets oxegen in your blood to high levels. I was going to run it anyway for strength. I have friend that swears by eq when running tren . He had no probs with cardio at all. I have been told he is " one of the lucky few" so next spring ill run eq with tren to let you folks know. till then im starting prop,tren and halo very soon.

**sphincter** · 11-28-2007, 02:31 PM

I had tons of trouble with jiu jitsu while on tren but as soon as it came out fo the equation I'm back rolling for an hour no problem... I would like to know more about how to work around this as I really enjoy working out and looking better but I LOVE training!!!

**WelshWarrior** · 11-28-2007, 04:07 PM

It hits my lungs from the moment I jab, it's like they've been made half their normal size.

**canadian meat** · 11-28-2007, 04:56 PM

I have never had any issue with cardio while on Tren and I ran it At pretty high doses.

**Ashop** · 11-28-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by graeme87

I think the title says it all.

It never does mine but I only do cardio on non-weight training days for 30 min.

**agentmuscleXXX** · 11-29-2007, 12:56 PM

I defenely lost my energy on it. Get winded from going upstairs and cant workout as hard. Hey BIGMAX that makes a lot of sense couse thats exatly what happend to me. Maybe some people are not affected by it but I sure was. Every time I would jab the tren i fell weird.

**dece870717** · 11-29-2007, 01:57 PM

I believe its affect on blood pressure also has something to do with it. My resting heartrate on Tren is about 110bpm! Squats and deadlifts are killers when I'm on Tren.

**Kratos** · 11-29-2007, 02:22 PM

My resting heartrate is def up as well. I do a lot of endurance activities and my normal resting heartrate is right around 50 bpm. Sits around 70-90 on tren .

**buckeyefootball4** · 11-29-2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by graeme87

I think the title says it all.

its doesnt.

**cache49** · 11-29-2007, 05:39 PM

I never noticed it untill the last few days. Just into week two and it welf like I was going to keel over and throw up today doing back. I had to rest extra between sets just to catch my breath. Its lame, but worth the bs in the long run.

**blue-runner** · 11-30-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by sphincter

I had tons of trouble with jiu jitsu while on tren but as soon as it came out fo the equation I'm back rolling for an hour no problem... I would like to know more about how to work around this as I really enjoy working out and looking better but I LOVE training!!!

what would you recommend then for jiu jitsu ?

**RBIZZY** · 11-30-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by blue-runner

what would you recommend then for jiu jitsu ?

i have a friend that trains jui jitsu and he takes halo. i would try that. he says it does wounders......

**Trenhead** · 12-01-2007, 12:18 AM

lmfao tren 100% without a doubt effects my wind i tried to play basketball today and it was not pretty but i still love it

**millionairemurph** · 12-01-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by blue-runner

what would you recommend then for jiu jitsu ?

bjj isnt about strength, its about speed, conditioning, and technique. You could da whatever aas you want, but tren and decca slow me down. That being said im taking tren anyway and i roll everyday. I love tren!

**ziinus** · 12-02-2007, 02:14 PM

Isn't the Prostaglandin explanation a popular theory ?

**millionairemurph** · 12-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by ziinus

Isn't the Prostaglandin explanation a popular theory ?

whats that? havet heard of that.

**dece870717** · 12-02-2007, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by millionairemurph

whats that? havet heard of that.

I think theres some info about it here http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Enanthate.new.php

**millionairemurph** · 12-03-2007, 02:12 PM

good info there^^^^^ I Have never gotten the tren cough yet, have done total about 35 injects, ranging between 50mg and 100mg. A couple of times it tasted like someone put th oil directly on my tounge while i was shooting. I braced for the cough but didnt even feel a twinge.

**taiboxa** · 12-03-2007, 10:51 PM

my stamina and energy are both greatly affected by doses of 100mgED+ of tren .. this seems to be directly related to the insomnia and shitty qaulity of sleep i acquire while on it.
as long as im on a low dose say 100mg-200mg/wk of tren my stamina is fine and my sleep is not affected by any means