Advice....1st cycle

[feanixco]

26 years old 5'6" 163 lbs. I have been training for most of my life and I want to start my first cycle here fairly soon. I was thinking about running Tets/Deca then Winny - Nolvadex & Clomid. Some people are recommending EQ ..... I am open to any and all advice/suggestions.

[Amorphic]

test e 500mg/w 12 weeks
arimidex on hand in case of estrogenic sides
proper pct along the lines of nolva/aromasin

the reasoning behind this is to see how your body reacts to a baseline steroid such as test, which if you continue cycling will be a staple in every cycle to come.

more compounds is not necessarily better, and you can make great gains on test only for a first cycle, it comes down to diet and training.

good luck

[10nispro]

What are your goals? For your 1st cycle keep it simple. Since its your first and you dont' know how your body will react, you need to keep it simple so you will know what is or might be causing a possible side effect.

Test e. or c. 1-12weeks 500mg /wk M and Th injections. You will see good results especially if your diet is in check.

[feanixco]

I would like to be a lean 170. Obviously put on more mass and be cut up before next summer.

[10nispro]

Its all in your diet. 170 will be easy.

[Amorphic]

Its all in your diet. 170 will be easy.

agreed.

[funbos]

if you want to be lean EQ would be better...

[feanixco]

I have heard first cycle ......
Deca 200-400 mg per week - 8 weeks
Test 500 mg per week - 8 weeks
Should I not consider Deca stacking first go?

[10nispro]

Either one of those cmpds need to be runned longer than 8 weeks and you run the test longer than the deca, so right off the bat, you information is troublesome.

Not knocking you but just slow down , research some more and go from there. We are here to learn and teach. There is alot of experience on this board so if you want to dive in make sure the water is deep enough and safe enough.

[feanixco]

Yeah I appreciate any advice that comes my way.

[Amorphic]

I have heard first cycle ......
Deca 200-400 mg per week - 8 weeks
Test 500 mg per week - 8 weeks
Should I not consider Deca stacking first go?

deca is usually run 12 weeks to get the most out of the long ester.
test being run 2 weeks longer to let the deca metabolites clear so that they arent suppressing your hpta without any exogenous test in your body.

deca is supposidly mild in side effects, but it is not mild on the hpta, you will be shut down hard and will need an agressive pct to get your test levels back to normal post cycle.

if you really want to throw another compound in the mix you could use eq as stated before, although the gains are small.

[feanixco]

I don't want to over do it my first time around but I feel like my diet is good and I am really committed in the gym. I'm not sure Test alone will give me the results I am looking for.

[Amorphic]

I don't want to over do it my first time around but I feel like my diet is good and I am really committed in the gym. I'm not sure Test alone will give me the results I am looking for.

if test 'doesnt give you the results you're looking for' then you have unrealistic expectations or your diet/training are not up to speed.

you could run more compounds and still not get the look you want if you arent dieting/training properly.

your goal is a lean 170, i'm sitting at 5'10" 210lbs naturally. you dont even need juice for a lean 170

[feanixco]

So does this sound good?
400 mg per week Deca - 8 weeks
500 mg per week Test - 10 weeks
??

[Amorphic]

no. obviously you do not listen to any advice given to you.

others can help you out.

[feanixco]

Well I know you said run Deca 12 weeks and Test 2 weeks longer but that just seems like a really long cycle but I don't know as much as others.

[redz]

They are suggesting you run only TEST E without the deca..... I`m a virgin to this too listen to these guys they know their stuff.

I`m going to be starting with TEST E 500mg for 12 weeks and doing Winstrol for weeks 9-14 to get a hard lean finish on the cycle. Don`t go crazy and learn about anti-estrogens and pct b4 you jump the gun.

[feanixco]

Thanks guys.

[Amorphic]

They are suggesting you run only TEST E without the deca..... I`m a virgin to this too listen to these guys they know their stuff.

I`m going to be starting with TEST E 500mg for 12 weeks and doing Winstrol for weeks 9-14 to get a hard lean finish on the cycle. Don`t go crazy and learn about anti-estrogens and pct b4 you jump the gun.

yes, definetly

[green22]

Just run some test and keep your diet straight. I will give you a few pieces of advise. Keep Things Simple. Many guys here will say take this and that at various times makeing this shit seem so complicated when its not. Your diet is gonna be the main determining factor on how you look not steroids. Steroids will assist but wont make you.