1ad cycle help

**linebacker5270** · 12-04-2007, 04:19 AM

I have 2 bottles ergopharm 1ad. I was thinking of taking 300mg a day for the first 2 1/2 weeks and then bumping it to 500mg for the last two. Should I do this or run a longer cycle of just 300mg a day? I was planning on dhea or Testabolan (run during cycle and post cycle therapy ) to help libido and lethargy? As a PCT i have Toremifene, 6 oxo, and retain 2, What dosages would you recommend since i hear conflicting reports for 1ad? I was thinking of using the toremifine at 100/60/60/30

Also i am debating when to start. Over christmas break i will have a better gym (that contains all my power lifting stuff), i will have training partners to push me and help me with my gear such as my bench shirt. I will also be lifting with some of the top powerlifters in the nation. I will have more and better food as well.

The only downside is i will be drinking due to family affairs (wedding, bachelor party, etc) and christmas and new years and such. At school i dont have as good of a gym, training partners, or as much good food,which would you do

**magic32** · 12-04-2007, 12:02 PM

Firstly, 1ad mimics the pharmacological activity of Test by activating the pro-hormones at 1,5-androsten or the 1-testosterone , so there is no need to pyramid. There is also no aromatization.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00001/art00001

Secondly, might I suggest researching before using this stuff? And "no" asking a bunch of questions does not constitute research.
Here's a start:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catstudy.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catstudy2.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/1ad.html

Best to you.

**linebacker5270** · 12-04-2007, 02:00 PM

I understand the conversion it converts to 1 test... The reason it was pyramided was to a) allow my stomach to get used to it as i have read many people's stomachs get torn up even when taking it with food for the first week or two and b) have a cycle that is two weeks long and c) many people i know got plenty of results off just 3 caps so i wanted to start at that and then adjust based upon the sides that occur. I have done lots of research (i have read those articles before as well.) My questions of PCT were because this is my first experience with Toremifine which obviously uses diff dosages than nolva. after some research i learned the 100/60/60/30 or a 60/60/30 were good approaches for Torm so i wanted to know if anyone had tried it and what they felt about it. Also, i know 1ad kills your libido and gives terrible lethargy. I cant get 4ad to counter this but i have heard of people using Testabolan with similar compounds (BOLD) and getting good results. Thanks for your help though. Anyone have anything else that might help

**linebacker5270** · 12-04-2007, 02:29 PM

Also, would making my cycle slightly longer make my gains more keepable. That was my biggest concern with a short cycle

**mx3** · 12-04-2007, 02:43 PM

this should be in the supplement forum.

**linebacker5270** · 12-04-2007, 03:08 PM

sorry i was not sure where to post it but i saw other 1ad threads in here so i posted it in here. Mods feel free to move it

**magic32** · 12-04-2007, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by linebacker5270

I understand the conversion it converts to 1 test... The reason it was pyramided was to a) allow my stomach to get used to it as i have read many people's stomachs get torn up even when taking it with food for the first week or two and b) have a cycle that is two weeks long and c) many people i know got plenty of results off just 3 caps so i wanted to start at that and then adjust based upon the sides that occur. I have done lots of research (i have read those articles before as well.) My questions of PCT were because this is my first experience with Toremifine which obviously uses diff dosages than nolva. after some research i learned the 100/60/60/30 or a 60/60/30 were good approaches for Torm so i wanted to know if anyone had tried it and what they felt about it. Also, i know 1ad kills your libido and gives terrible lethargy. I cant get 4ad to counter this but i have heard of people using Testabolan with similar compounds (BOLD) and getting good results. Thanks for your help though. Anyone have anything else that might help

I see.
Be sure to divide you daily dosages if you incur gastro trouble.
And I have no experience or on hand info with/about Toremifene.
Sorry.

**legobricks** · 12-04-2007, 08:46 PM

If your GOING to be drinking, staying out late, not eating right during the holidays then why would you even want to take the 1ad? I would wait until you are ready to be serious instead of indulging into all those activies. Alcohol actually lowers your testosterone , IGF1 levels, and can turn into fat which means you lose your gains and not gain as much as expected. I learned that the hard way but serioulsy bro, try to hold off until after the holidays unless you can put off drinking for the holidays (i know it sucks

**linebacker5270** · 12-04-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

If your GOING to be drinking, staying out late, not eating right during the holidays then why would you even want to take the 1ad? I would wait until you are ready to be serious instead of indulging into all those activies. Alcohol actually lowers your testosterone , IGF1 levels, and can turn into fat which means you lose your gains and not gain as much as expected. I learned that the hard way but serioulsy bro, try to hold off until after the holidays unless you can put off drinking for the holidays (i know it sucks

Well at home i eat 100 times better (much more and better food available) and my training is much much better as i have a real gym and will be training with some elite powerlifters where as at school i dont have as good of food, gym, or training partners. However if i take a higher does as everyone is suggesting it will shorten up my cycle enough to avoid all the big family events coming up and i could severely limit my drinking. Also, sleep will be better as i have to be up late at school due to work (bouncing). Therefore, eating, sleeping, training will be way better and drinking can be cut down (once or twice) or completely eliminated (sucks but im willing to do it for health gains). Pretty much my only question left is would it be easier to keep gains if i dosed higher for a shorter cycle or did slightly less for a longer cycle? Thanks for all the help guys 1AD has been a harder compound to get good info on