First timer need a little advice or help

[Mikey01]

hey, well i been working out for around 8 months now. And I been wanting to get on roids for a while, and i think ima pretty much ready

I asked a good friend of my and this is what he recommended
and i can get my hands on it pretty easy

Trenbolone and stacking it with Sustanon
and at the end of the cycle HCG

tell what you guys think of both of these drugs
im open for suggestions advice remarks whatever

I'm 5'10 5'11 and at about 150 155LBs

[V.D.O.P]

you're not ready

[Bigmax]

Age???..150lbs???...No my friend not a good base to start anything like anabolic compounds bro...not to mention 8 months is NOt a long time in the gym....also the 2 compounds your dear friend recommended is hardly a good plan to start with at your level.

[Mikey01]

what would you recommended I start with?

[bowser]

you should also look into proper pct. hcg is not going to do it.

[Mikey01]

I'm 19 years old, I work out with 2 other buddys i say they are 170 same age. But they both are on test and i dont know what else. Ive heard bad things about the test going around my area. And they just have blowen up, and they started like 3 weeks when they started working out, and i started with them since day one. Of course you cant compair them to me because its a major difference.......

[basshead69]

You need a proper diet look in the diet forum at 155 you are not done growing yet and running tren for your first cycle is not a good idea grow naturally first then consider using steroids .

[Bigmax]

Bro,I'm going to be honest with you...at your age your natural test is very high...you can grow and get good size on a good training regimen and a good nutrition intake....to take any type of test now wouldnt be good..it will shut you down and that you dont need at the moment...Tren is very toxic so please dont even think about that right now..

[Mikey01]

but it sucks, im like stuck at this size, and there hugeeeee

[basshead69]

Be patient watch after the cycle those guys will probley loose all their gains because most likely their uneducated on steroids and won't run a proper PCT you need to eat 8 meals a day and be consuming around 4,000 calories. Lift heavy weight with low reps do 6 to 8 sets of 4-5 reps of heavy weight just bust your ass you'll get there and doing it naturally you will keep all your gains

[Mikey01]

I just hate it man, i didnt wanna jump in to anything without knowing like them. But you guys dont recommend noting at all not even winstol?


Bro it just sucks how there huge lol

[AandF6969]

what would you recommended I start with?

FOOD!!! Your friends are retarded if they think the only way to get big is with juice. Even using steroids , you need a proper diet, and its evident at your weight your diet SUCKS!!! Do you have any idea how many grams of protein you eat every day or how many calories?

Fix it, or get shitty results, even if you do juice... sorry its not what you wanted to hear, but its the truth. Steroids aren't magic, they don't create muscle out of thin air. You need raw materials to build it (food). You can't build a house without bricks.

And like was said above, a lot of your friends gains are water retention, and if they have a shitty diet and training program (which they most likely do) they'll lose most or all of their gains.

[sphincter]

I just hate it man, i didnt wanna jump in to anything without knowing like them. But you guys dont recommend noting at all not even winstol?


Bro it just sucks how there huge lol

I really hope that despite being only 19 you can see that even though the guys on this board are obviously very very "pro-hormones" (get it?) they are all still telling you the truth, you really need to EAT and EAT and EAT some more (of the right foods). You will be HUGEEE like them (170lbs) in 6 months time all natural and you can make fun of them when they LOSE all their current size since they are likely not planning a proper PCT and not eating right.

listen to us and you'll get where you want to be, the quickest, safest, most reliable way you can and you'll RETAIN the size if you learn how to feed it properly; which is what we're saying.

no one here is saying "don't use steroids " but we are saying you need other things first. You need more training experience and lots and lots more food and diet experience before you can effectively use steroids .

[Mikey01]

actually, they are on a strict diet. It sucks tho i cant get past 160 I have a really really high metabolism. I have my protein shakes at least 3 times a day. I have my bars i also eat. I eat as healthy as possible, I wont lie I do have a girlfriend and she likes samuri and chilis and all thoes places but thats one or twice a week and even if i go there i try to eat as good as possible. I just cant pass 160. I just weighted my self right now I'm at 158 but no matter what i wont pass 160

ahhh wefnwelrnfgwl;erg

[basshead69]

fuk it bro youve made up your mind I know no matter what we tell you your going to use steroids and eating out twice a week is not a good diet you need to know how many calories you intaking and how much protine, and fat. But I assume your going to run aas anyway so fuk it run a cycle of test at 500mg a week for 10 weeks read up on PCT and the compounds you are going to use I would go with Test E get your diet in check and just give it a little more time it will be worth it trust me

[Big]

How many calories do you consume every day? How many grams of protein/carbs/fat every day?

[KZRSOIZE]

Not Ready.........

[mmmmma]

you are too young, too skinny, and obviously do not understand the fundamentals such as training experience and diet....in other words not ready.

[AandF6969]

actually, they are on a strict diet. It sucks tho i cant get past 160 I have a really really high metabolism. I have my protein shakes at least 3 times a day. I have my bars i also eat. I eat as healthy as possible, I wont lie I do have a girlfriend and she likes samuri and chilis and all thoes places but thats one or twice a week and even if i go there i try to eat as good as possible. I just cant pass 160. I just weighted my self right now I'm at 158 but no matter what i wont pass 160

Just because their diet is "strict" doesn't mean it is sufficient in calories. Just because you eat "as good as possible" doesn't mean you're getting enough calories in your body to build muscle. With your metabolism, it would actually be better if you dirtied it up a bit!! Stop eating like a bird and start eating like a man.

EVERYONE was a "hard gainer" until they fixed their diets... If you can't gain weight, it means you're not eating enough. Simple biology. Search google for "calorie balance" if you don't understand the fundamentals of physiology.

Oh, I was a "hard gainer" too... and then I started eating and training right. 135 lbs to 180 lbs, in 1 1/2 years. Natural.

[KeepingItBalanced]

the uproar in these threads are insace. I am going to stop clicking on them, they give me headaches and 'roid rage '....and I'm not even on cycle.

[4got10won]

ya i got all this same info myself. i didnt want to hear it but after reading so much on it i am holding off im 24, 5'11 flux between 155-160, but sinse i got the advice ive just been eating till im stuffed and pumping till i cant move ive gained 6 natural pounds in about 2 weeks that way.. i already got the gear but im waiting till i hit 170-175lbs and feel like im ready.. i dont want to waste my money and stick needles in my ass for nothing.. these guys seem to know there stuff so id hold out too.. eating is the key

[JuicedUpCanuk]

If you stick to a good diet and regimen and gain weight I mean REAL WEIGHT not just water RETENTION . You will see that in less than a years time you will surpass your bros , they may look big now but what happens to a balloon when you blow it up . REAL SOON that balloon deflates . At the end of your bros cycle you will see that the lose it just as fast as the got it . There thell be with pimples on there backs and shunkin balls , your bros are thinking they are taking the easy way out . There in for a world of hurt , that every one on this board is trying to save you from . Gain 15-20 on your own and let your own body finish growing , then take a cycle if you need to .

[longhorn814]

eat like it is suggested in this thread

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

If you eat like that I guarantee, that you will get bigger and stronger faster than your friends who are on juice and have no clue how to eat. Most kids just have no concept how to eat to gain muscle..they think they do, but they really dont. Steroids are not magic either..if you cant eat to gain naturally then you wont gain from steroids either!!!

[EZgainer]

reiteration: Do not juice yet....Diet....170 is not HUGEEEE