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I am starting my Test E only cycle an dont want to hold alot of water or get any side effect while on the test e cylce for 10 weeks... So i was going to drop in 20 mg or less of nova while on the cycle. can anyone get me some advice about that...thanks
By doing that you my kill some of your gains.
to hold water ? mmm if you eat pizzas and hot dogs you will hold alot of water. Everything is in the diet bro, not the juice
yeah thats what i heard...but others say not really. So i dont know what i should do. wanted to see if others have took it while on there cycles.
it will help, but i would hold off unless you start experiencing any gyno symptoms or run it at 10mg ed.
never hurts to have nolva or arimidex on hand, i would personally use an AI instead of a serm for on cycle, especially if gyno was flairing up.
Bump for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Amorphic
Ok then that sounds good cause my diet is in really good....just dont want to look bloated.
make sure you drink plenty of water and watch your sodium intakeQuote:
Originally Posted by thai007
An i hate hot dogs........ jbravobg
Mix in 3 days of Cardio with your workouts for at least 45mins each time, this will help with the Bloat if you get any at all.
Only use the nolva if you have any Gyno.
pct for test e only cycle.
Pct :
Nolva 20mgs/day 4 weeks
aromasin 25 mgs/day 4 weeks
Vitamin e 1000ius/day 4 weeks.
Some people will tell you that you need HCG with your pct. Not True,
I did not use it with my 1st pct, and plan on not useing it for my 2nd cycle pct .
and my pct was fine without useing HCG.
(HCG is up to you. Your going to hear it from all sides on HCG)
Also if iam not wrong, HCG just came out not to long ago to add to your PCT.
Remember,PCT were fine before HCG.
But HCG is great for some people, and not for others.
But this is just my Opinion, Decide for yourself with Reaserch.
Peace Out.
OK thanks Amorphic...Well i have to nova on hand just in case or an AI but i start the cycle without it.
Have you read my post on estrogen and AI's ??
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...strogen+ai%27s
Also nolva can reduce gains .. It lowers IGF......
Merc.
That's what i'm talkin about. Go mercman:7up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc.
Ok thanks for the advice guys....I will definitely start a cycle result post....to keep track of my work
But alot of people told me that...it doesnt lower your gains people just think it does..but i will read the post now..can believe everything u read i guess.
Great always like see people with there results
well a Proper pct is to keep most of your gains, not to loose them.
Peace out.
use an AI like arimidex or letro,,it will work much better for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by thai007
letro would be overkill for a cycle like that imoQuote:
Originally Posted by ALIN
VERY good post merc...that helped me out a lot good to read stuff like that...
yea im not going to take any AI or nova etc....with the cycle just keep very close by i mean like in the top drawer..lol just in case
Thanks... glad you found it helpful....Quote:
Originally Posted by thai007
Merc.
That is so not true lmao
Strong bump........but which part are referring to as not true?
Kind of glad you bumped this though, the main Nolva info page on the site says a lot of people run it at 10-20mg/ day on cycle..?
if you don't aromatise hard, low dose nolva protects from gyno development atv5he breast site. it does nothing to lower estrogen or block its conversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdragon
using an AI stops most conversion of test to estrogen, at the aromatase enzyme.
over use of AI will hurt gains, as well as sky high estrogen will do too.
so while nolva will stop gyno it won't help with other sides associated with high E2. such as edema, dvt, BP cholesterol etc.
mis using AI can also be harsh on cholesterol.
hence the need for bloods on cycle and whatnot.
we can both be same weight height and body fat, and you may need an AI on 500mg test I may not.
you may get e2 in the high 100s on sane amountvof test as me and mine could be well within range.
hence the reason for mid cycle bloods and such. (I'm aware I repeated my self, btw)
What’s up everyone,
I’m new on here, as in I just made an account about 10 minutes ago so let me at least introduce myself. I’m 29, been an avid lifter for several years and currently compete in bodybuilding comps. I did my first cycle when I was 26 after hitting a plateau body weight wise. I haven’t been on one since, am currently 6ft and 220lb without having cycled in over 2 years. I’m eating 5500 calories (clean) daily and lift on a schedule 6 days a week. I am thinking of going back on a light cycle of test E and/or prop with ana for a few months. After a 3 month cycle how much actual mass do you think I would keep once the water dissipates? Thanks!
No worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle
And yeah, everyone's different is a major theme and is said a lot, but doesn't seem to get as much direction.
I'm still learning and planning for my first cycle, and I tend to carry a lot of fat in my chest; always had moobs since like 4th grade when I started getting chubby..
Trying to max out my strength and muscle gains without crashing E levels but being careful and hopefully not paranoid about getting gyno/bigger moobs.
Get Prix cycle blood work to see were your estrogen is that if it's high you know you're going to need the standard AI protocol if not moreQuote:
Originally Posted by shadowdragon
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Why would pre cycle bloods predicate a need for an AI?Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle
they wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by cousinmuscles
they would see were your natural estrogen levels are at .
if on the high side you can make a better educated guess at ai use during cycle before mid cycle bloods are pulled
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Just asked because some people have low test high E2 then when they go on TRT their E2 is lower as the hypogonadal state messes things up and won't predict what happens with supraphysiological test levels. An educated approach would be a small dose and adjust accordingly after bloods 5-6 weeks in.Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hornbuckle
Following. On the pct do not take the nolva at all if you do not get sensitive? And if I did get sensitive, should I take the AI or the nolva? And how much for how long? Looking for answers. I appreciate it
QUOTE=luckylou;3732562]Mix in 3 days of Cardio with your workouts for at least 45mins each time, this will help with the Bloat if you get any at all.
Only use the nolva if you have any Gyno.
pct for test e only cycle.
Pct :
Nolva 20mgs/day 4 weeks
aromasin 25 mgs/day 4 weeks
Vitamin e 1000ius/day 4 weeks.
Some people will tell you that you need HCG with your pct. Not True,
I did not use it with my 1st pct, and plan on not useing it for my 2nd cycle pct .
and my pct was fine without useing HCG.
(HCG is up to you. Your going to hear it from all sides on HCG)
Also if iam not wrong, HCG just came out not to long ago to add to your PCT.
Remember,PCT were fine before HCG.
But HCG is great for some people, and not for others.
But this is just my Opinion, Decide for yourself with Reaserch.
Peace Out.[/QUOTE]