Big losses after cycle

**brama2377** · 12-16-2007, 10:46 AM

I recently did my first cycle. I used 500 sust for 10 weeks and 15-20 dbol the first 4 weeks and the last 2 weeks.

I gained 17 pounds and all my major lifts went up at least 40-45 pounds.

My last sust was nov 10th.
Since, I have lost 12 pounds and all my lifts are almost back to precycle levels.
I have been keeping my lifts to major compound lifts and keeping my workouts less than 1 hour every other day. I also cut out the cardio. Eating lots of protein and lots of calories, but it just seems to be hitting the midsection.
I am taking good clomiphene 50 Mcg a day.

Is this normal?? Any advice on what I could do different???
Thanks

**Big** · 12-16-2007, 10:49 AM

It sounds like your diet and training needs some refinement.

**realmafia** · 12-16-2007, 10:53 AM

What was your pct?

**brama2377** · 12-16-2007, 01:58 PM

PCT was clomid and it is legit. I am taking 50 Mcg a day
not too keen on using HCG

I think my diet is pretty decent. I've read a lot of the diet forums and I'm sticking pretty close to the avg recs.
What do you suggest for my training?? RIght now I am doing heavy sets of the following.

Monday
Flat bench 3 sets 5-7reps Decline or incline 3 sets 5-7 reps
weighted Pull Ups 3 sets 5-8 reps Bent over row 3 sets 5-7reps
Pull over 3 sets 7-10 reps

Wednesday-
Squats 4 sets 8-10 reps leg ext 2 sets leg curls 2 sets calves 3 sets
Military press 4 sets Shoulder raises 2 sets Shrug 2 sets

Friday
Dead Lifts 3 sets 5-8 reps
Dips 4 sets 5-8reps
Curls 2 sets with last set super set
tri ext 2 sets with last set as a super set

I have a small frame and tend towards ab ectomorph, so if I do much more or stay in the gym longer, I lose instead of gain.
Any suggestions??

**IRONBULL05** · 12-16-2007, 02:04 PM

It is normal to lose some of what you have gained once off cycle,but if you keep training hard and eating heavy,you should keep a large portion of them.

Also,you should include Nolve in pct.Nolve and Clomid work great together at kick starting your boys back into working again.

Good luck brother.

**KeepingItBalanced** · 12-16-2007, 02:31 PM

50mg of clomid is not enough IMHO.

40/40/20/20 is common with nolvadex alone and pct with clomid alone something like 150/150/100/50 or running a combination of the two products.

**Big** · 12-16-2007, 02:35 PM

I assume you mean 50mg of clomid a day, not 50mcg, but regardless that's not a sufficient pct.

**BOOST** · 12-16-2007, 02:43 PM

Clomid sucks ass, you should have ran HCG 10 shots and your done. I gained 17lbs and kept 12lbs

**Big** · 12-16-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by BOOST

Clomid sucks ass, you should have ran HCG 10 shots and your done. I gained 17lbs and kept 12lbs

HCG only? HCG is suppressive and will do nothing to restore your natty test levels, only reverse testicular atrophy.

**Bigmax** · 12-16-2007, 02:46 PM

Bro go ahead and add some tribulus to your pct...about 3,000mgs a day...Post your diet in the forum and we'll look at it...

**BOOST** · 12-16-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

HCG only? HCG is suppressive and will do nothing to restore your natty test levels, only reverse testicular atrophy.

No Roberts full PCT, my bad I should have been more specific.

**Big** · 12-16-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by BOOST

No Roberts full PCT, my bad I should have been more specific.

I gotcha, Anthony Robert's pct can't be beat.

**SidewayZ** · 12-16-2007, 04:46 PM

So basically all he should have done is Nolva and HCG . From my experience I would have just run nolva with that cycle!

**rock75** · 12-16-2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by BOOST

Clomid sucks ass, you should have ran HCG 10 shots and your done. I gained 17lbs and kept 12lbs

this is a very general statement and what has worked for you and others may not work for him.

regardless, IMO your first dose of clomid should have been somewhere around 150mg/day for 7 days and 100mg/day for 7 days and 50 mg/day for 7 days.