tren e

[ChrisHorvath711]

why is it a bad idea to take tren e alone?

... any advice or experience?

[Big]

It's a bad idea to take any 19nor without at least a trt dose of test, the 19nor will completely shut down your natural test production from the very first shot. Most people prefer to have some test in their system while on cycle.

[ChrisHorvath711]

does this cause any long term damage?

[Big]

I really couldn't say, it's on the list of things I would never do because there is really no reason to, so I haven't done a lot of research into the possible effects. I firmly believe that test should be the base for any cycle. Bump for other opinions.

[ChrisHorvath711]

i know you're big on clomid/nolva... and besides anthony roberts pct, would you recommend any other special blend for a pct for just tren e?

[Big]

there again, I would never run tren alone, so it's hard to advise a good pct. why is it you don't want to include at least a small dose of test if you don't mind me asking?

[ChrisHorvath711]

hard for me to get a hold of, if i were to run both tren e (400mg a week 8 weeks) and test prop (normal mg a week for 10 weeks) what kind of pct would you recommend? and how long after my cycle should i start the pct?

[Big]

I like Anthony Robert's pct for any suppressive cycle, if you were to run the prop you could start pct 2 days after the last prop injection.

[ChrisHorvath711]

what about test e with a long ester?

[Big]

I like to wait about 16 days after the last shot of test e. Most say 2 weeks but I think that's a little conservative.

[RBIZZY]

i agree with imaget on this... if using a 19nor then you need test with it....19nors alone are a bad idea.... i would use test prop with tren

[ChrisHorvath711]

why is tren e, being a 19nor, bad to use alone? i'm not questioning you guys because i believe you, but what does it do to the body and why is it bad to use alone?

[RBIZZY]

because it shuts down all test production in your body and recovery is harder, and you will get "deca dick", test helps with that.... and as we all know, if you have low test levels then its harder to gain....

[RBIZZY]

and the longer it takes for your body to recover to homeostasis the more gains you lose

[ChrisHorvath711]

what if i were to take a testosterone booster during this cycle in place of a test?

[redz]

a booster will do little or nothing because the tren will shut you down.

[millionairemurph]

because it shuts down all test production in your body and recovery is harder, and you will get "deca dick", test helps with that.... and as we all know, if you have low test levels then its harder to gain....

Not using test in a cycle does not make recovery harder. Once someone is "shut down" they are shut down. Its not like you could be more supressed than 100%. Test and tren or tren alone will shut you down the same (100%).


People advise test with other compoiunds, especially 19 nors ( just because they shut down natural test production so fast, and shut it down for a long time) because without test a man would have no libido, loss of focus, lethargy.
I know guys who have cycled without test, and they have done it several times. It is a prefereance that most people will not recomend because of the negative sides associated with cycleing without test.

[Big]

what if i were to take a testosterone booster during this cycle in place of a test?

there are no testosterone boosters that would sufficiently boost test production enough to offset the suppressive nature of a 19nor compound.

[millionairemurph]

there are no testosterone boosters that would sufficiently boost test production enough to offset the suppressive nature of a 19nor compound.

good info.

[stumbras]

why is it a bad idea to take tren e alone?

... any advice or experience?

you dont care about your sex life ?!

[graeme87]

I'm on tren e (only) and I'm fuking like a beast. Erections are so hard they hurt like if you have ever taken too much proviron, I get random erections too.

Everyone is different but I am not having any of the bad sides associated with a tren only cycle.

[ChrisHorvath711]

I'm on tren e (only) and I'm fuking like a beast. Erections are so hard they hurt like if you have ever taken too much proviron, I get random erections too.

Everyone is different but I am not having any of the bad sides associated with a tren only cycle.

what is your pct for tren e only?

[Titleist]

I'm on tren e (only) and I'm fuking like a beast. Erections are so hard they hurt like if you have ever taken too much proviron, I get random erections too.

Everyone is different but I am not having any of the bad sides associated with a tren only cycle.

Well, since Tren isn't made for humans, I would almost guarantee that your source sent you Test, not Tren.

[jdsogge]

i am about to start a tren a only cycle, in a month.i hope for the sake of my girlfriend that i can still hump.

[green22]

Ive taken both trens by themselves and got stronger, a lil bigger, and never had any probs with erections.

[ChrisHorvath711]

Ive taken both trens by themselves and got stronger, a lil bigger, and never had any probs with erections.

what was your pct on tren e only?