Advanced Bulking Cycle

[hardjockmeat]

This is the Advanced Bulking Cycle from the Anabolic Steroids Ultimate Research Guide:

Week 1 Testo (Cyp or Enan) 750mgs, Deca -Durabolin 500mgs, Anadrol50 50mgs/day

This is a 12 week cycle, Testo and Deca weeks 1-12, Anadrol50 weeks 1-6.

I am going to be doing Testo Cyp

I do have very good pct, HCG for two weeks after the last inj.

How do most people inject this cycle, do you break the 750mgs into two smaller injections for the week, so you do two a week, or are you just doing all 750mgs at once per week, the same with Deca, are you breaking that into two smaller injections per week or just doing the full 500mgs at once per week.

I have done cycles before with Sust, and I always broke those up into smaller bi-weekly injections.

Thanks!

[kmac]

what about prop in place of cyp or enan???

[XNathan]

Twice per week = more stable blood level. Less akne, oily skin and for me water retention, mood fluctuation.

But once is still good. Borderline but still suitable.

[cache49]

IMO...long esters are better to bulk with...besides, I cant take prop so im a little bias I guess....hahaha. I wouldnt take 750mg of anything at once. Sust should be admin eod for stable blood levels, im a big fan of more frequent but less volume. Ill shoot ed to avoid larger volumes, thats just me....deca is a very long ester, providing its not NPP, twice a week is great 200-300mg at a time. Cyp or enen, twice a week is fine....

[hardjockmeat]

Thanks for all the great info. For this cycle I am NOT doing any Sust. I was just referring to the fact that when I did a Sust cycle, due to ester short life, I would do it twice a week. I think I am going to do the same with this cycle. It just makes sense to break it into a twice a week injection to keep things even and smooth.

[KJSolid]

I would definitely break the test up into two shots per week. The deca I usually just shoot once a week. Something like Sunday, 375 mg test and all 500 mgs of deca and then another 375 mgs of test on Wednesday or Thursday.

[cache49]

^^^^^^^Sust cycle, due to ester short life, I would do it twice a week.^^^^^^

Sust is a blend of short and long esters, it should be admin three times a week or eod for best results.

[Njord]

What are your stats and cycle history? Hopefully your PCT is more than just HCG .

[admirals56]

agreed. stats

[hardjockmeat]

For PCT I have two weeks of HCG which I was going to start a few days after the last injection, then I also have Tamoxifen .
Do you suggest anything else?
Thanks!
I have done a few intermediate cycles of Sust and DBol , they did work well for me, I did not like the mental effects of Sust, it sort of makes you weird, I have heard that from many people.
I am 6', and about 174lbs.

[green22]

Bro,........Im not sure how to put this but if you 175 at 6ft then I dont think you need all those drugs and high doses. You couldnt have been training that long if thats all you weigh. Maybe Im wrong, you may been training for 10 years but...........and you said you done a few previous cycles, and still only weigh 175. How long you been lifting?? Whats your diet like??? What your BF%.

[Njord]

Bro,........Im not sure how to put this but if you 175 at 6ft then I dont think you need all those drugs and high doses. You couldnt have been training that long if thats all you weigh. Maybe Im wrong, you may been training for 10 years but...........and you said you done a few previous cycles, and still only weigh 175. How long you been lifting?? Whats your diet like??? What your BF%.

I agree with green on this. You are too light to be doing a heavy cycle like you propose. If you have already done a cycle and you are only at 175lbs your diet is seriously lacking. If you can't eat right, you shouldn't cycle.
Your planned pct is horrible and it is clear you are lacking the proper knowledge to put a proper pct together. Go to the pct forums here: http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/. Also try the diet forum here:http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/

[10nispro]

I also agree with njord and green....lots more research is needed. Also, what is your age?

[hardjockmeat]

OK, thanks for the info.
For pct I already have the Tamox, so I guess I will also add an AI, it looks like Proviron seems to be the most popular.

AI's:
Arimidex : 3-4 weeks @ .25mg or .5mg ed
Letro: 3 weeks @ .25 or .5mg ed
Aromasin : 3-4 weeks @ 20-25mg ed
proviron 3-4 weeks @ 25mg-50mg ed

SERMS:
Clomiphene: 4 weeks @ 100mg ed first 2 weeks, 50mg ed last 2 weeks.
Tamoxifen: 4-6 weeks @ 20mg ed (40mg ed for first 2 weeks if you wish)

[Njord]

Where did you get that info? Proviron is not an AI. It is an AAS (DHT derived). You are scaring me here buddy!

[Mattador]

I got that info right from the forum that was recommend that I read. I just copied and pasted it here.

Here is the link to the thread, it was the very first one.

the unofficial how to do pct thread

[Njord]

I don't know why Stocky has Proviron listed with the other AI's. Proviron is a DHT derived anabolic steroid . Check the profile here: http://www.steroid.com/Proviron.php.
Some people will run it into their PCT because it does not have a negative impact on the HPTA.
My recommendation for an AI would be Aromasin @ 25mg/day.

[green22]

Brother, you really do need to do some more research. You are going overboard here.

[Njord]

Brother, you really do need to do some more research. You are going overboard here.

He is researching. On his list of SERMS and AI, i assume he only wanted to use the ones in bold, not all of them. For some reason Proviron was listed among the AI's. He's on the right track and looking up the information.

[hardjockmeat]

Yes, thank you, I am doing my research, I just copied and pasted the list of options from the Board from the very first PCT info section. I was thinking about only doing the ones in bold. I have the HCG and the Tamox, and from the info above I guess I will now add the Aromasin .

[hardjockmeat]

I also watched the really good videos in the nutrition forum,
Milos Sarcev "Secret of the Pro's" on Nutrition!
I highly recommend them, he really knows his stuff!

[10nispro]

I know this be a mute point, but I didn't see that anyone posted it. The test should be run 2 weeks longer than the deca .

[hardjockmeat]

OK, thanks! So if it is a 12 week cycle, should I do the decca up to week 12, then run the test two more weeks? I guess you are sort of using the test as a semi pct to slowly come down.

[operationgetbig]

i'd personally run the a-bombs at 100mg/ed for 4-6 weeks. everything else looks good. run the deca for at least 12 weeks and the test for 2 more weeks after your last deca shot.

[10nispro]

Do the test weeks 1-12, deca 1-10. Deca shuts you down and you need the test to help with the lag time of the anabolic effect of deca even though the deca has been stopped. Most important have a good pct.

[hardjockmeat]

OK, thanks for the info! I am going to add the Aromasin . I guess you should also run the Tamox for the same time, 4-6 weeks, as the A-Bomb? Also when do you start the HCG ? One week after the last inj of the Sust? Then run the HCG for two weeks.

[operationgetbig]

OK, thanks for the info! I am going to add the Aromasin. I guess you should also run the Tamox for the same time, 4-6 weeks, as the A-Bomb? Also when do you start the HCG? One week after the last inj of the Sust? Then run the HCG for two weeks.

do some more research on hcg . i've never used it with my pct or during cycle so i dont have first hand experience. im pretty sure it's supposed to be used on cycle and left out of pct.

[hardjockmeat]

Yes, guess what, I was doing the research while you where writing this. Here is what looks like to be the way to use it:
Do the HCG while on the cycle near the end. Some say 3-4 weeks at the end. It looks like you do not want to do more than 10,000iu of HCG at the end of the cycle, you need to dilute it down. It comes in a vial at 5,000iu, so you add lets say 5ml, now you have 500iu per dose, some say do 500iu twice a week, some say everyday.
Then I am going to start the Tamox and A-Bomb two weeks after the last HCG inj, that is what the info says, I think that may be waiting too long.

Also if anyone if looking for some good liver protection I did a ton of research on that and found some really good all natural stuff. I am not sure if we are allowed to post links here for other companies stuff.

[hardjockmeat]

Then I just found this suggestion:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

This looks like a 6 week pct, but when would you start this?
Also, it looks like it is a good idea to inj Vitamin E, what is that suggested for?

Thanks!

[naturalsux]

Yes, guess what, I was doing the research while you where writing this. Here is what looks like to be the way to use it:
Do the HCG while on the cycle near the end. Some say 3-4 weeks at the end. It looks like you do not want to do more than 10,000iu of HCG at the end of the cycle, you need to dilute it down. It comes in a vial at 5,000iu, so you add lets say 5ml, now you have 500iu per dose, some say do 500iu twice a week, some say everyday.
Then I am going to start the Tamox and A-Bomb two weeks after the last HCG inj, that is what the info says, I think that may be waiting too long.

Also if anyone if looking for some good liver protection I did a ton of research on that and found some really good all natural stuff. I am not sure if we are allowed to post links here for other companies stuff.

dont you mean a-bombs from the beginning not the end?

[naturalsux]

Then I just found this suggestion:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

This looks like a 6 week pct, but when would you start this?
Also, it looks like it is a good idea to inj Vitamin E, what is that suggested for?

Thanks!

nope you take it orally in pill form. iu is just a measurement.

[hardjockmeat]

There are a few different recommendations. I am trying to make sense of all of it. Some say you should do 500iu of HCG a day while on the cycle. Others say do HCG in the last 4-6 weeks, I think I am going to do it that last 4 weeks of my cycle. Also HCG is very sensitive so when you mix it, do it slow and careful and store in the refrigerator.
Then some advice says start your pct with the Nolvadex which is a serm, I am using Tamoxifen , after about two weeks after the last jab of the HCG, also you want to use a insuline syringe to inj the HCG, not the kind for the decca and others. Then also do an AI - Aromasin or A-Bomb, at the same time as the Nolvadex. Do them for about 4-6 weeks.

Now I just found this, it looks like it is a good idea and that Nolvadex and HCG work very well together, so I am going to have to figure out how to now work this one in:

HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin ) : HCG is a replacement for your natural LH (luteinizing hormone). LH is what your body produces to tell your testicles to produce natural testosterone . LH levels drop when using AAS (HPTA suppression). Using HCG while on cycle prevents testicular shrinkage, speeding PCT when the time comes. Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, or in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 1000iu EOD. This is done before PCT starts with Clomid, as it is no good to mix the two. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. My suggested doses are not concrete, and you should be careful not to overdose and desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days. Vitamin E is a booster, read the next one :

[allout13]

shouldnt the 750 mgs of test be injected every 2.3 days
ex:
monday night
thursday morning
saturday noon