First cycle coming up...please comment

[LiftingInTheUSA]

Hi all,

Age: 30
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 215 lbs.
BF%: ~16

Goal: Put on 15 lbs. of muscle and reduce BF to 12%

I'm getting ready for my first cycle soon and am trying to nail down the proper way to use AI's. Here's what I plan to do:

Cycle:
Week 1-10: Test.C 250mg twice/week
Week 1-10: HCG 250iu twice/week
Week 5-10: Anavar 50mg once/day

PCT:
Clomid 50mg once/day starting one week after last test shot for 30 days

I've read lots on using AI's while on. I've heard this will prevent estrogen-related problems but can kill your gains. From what I can tell, a better approach might be to use an AI only at the very beginning of the cycle until your body has fully adjusted to the hormonal imbalance introduced by the AAS. Then after that only use the AI's if gyno develops. I have plenty of a-dex and letro in case I need it.

So I have some questions:

1. Does this look like a sound first cycle?
2. Should I run an AI at the very beginning? If so, for how long? Or do I just not touch the AI unless necessary?
3. Is Clomid alone sufficient for good PCT?
4. Is there anything else I should have on-hand just in case (while on or off)?

Thanks,
L

[basshead69]

looks good bro but you need to bump the clomid up to 100mg ed for the first week then go down to 50mg ed for your pct and I would throw some nova in your pct along with the hcg good luck

[juicenchris2989]

in my opinion run the test 12 wks and get rid of the hcg while on your cycle not really needed wait 1wk after last injection start your pct run your hcg and i personaly dont like clomid and use novadex 20mgs ed but if you already got the clomid then just run that

[Amorphic]

run the test for 12 weeks as stated by others.

hcg throughout is not really necessary for this cycle. you could run it for a few weeks near the end to aid recovery in pct if you want.

dont bother with an AI unless you have gyno symptoms flairing up, keep it on hand just in case.

clomid alone isnt a great pct, i would suggest:

1-4 20mg nolva ed
1-4 15-20mg aromasin ed

[chipy]

if i was doing it i would run the test at 500mg a week for your first cycle with nothing else and then for your PCT i would read the Anthoney Roberts PCT method, this is the one i use for every PCT i run now.

[longhorn814]

run the anavar two weeks longer than the test that way youre PCT start times will line up..i agree with running the HCG during cycle..it will help you recover way faster!!

[LiftingInTheUSA]

Thanks all.

I'm going to digest all these comments and do some more research. Then I'll repost my cycle/PCT plans and solicit more feedback.

Appreciate the help, bros!

[LiftingInTheUSA]

Hey bros,

Alright so I've done some more research and have posted another draft of my upcoming cycle. Here's how the cycle looks now. Please review and comment away:

Cycle:
Week 1-12: Test.C 300mg twice/week
Week 1-14: Anavar 25mg twice/day
Week 1-14: HCG 250iu twice/week

PCT:
Week 15: Clomid 100mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 16: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 17: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 18: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg

Have some letro and a.dex on hand if required. I originally thought of using one of these while on but decided against it so I could maximize my gains. So I figure I'll just keep them on the bench and first find out how sensitive I am to gyno, etc. Is that a good approach or do you guys think I should just run A-dex while on? I've read lots of conflicting viewpoints on this, but I'm leaning toward not using it unless I have to...

And is it okay to run VAR for 14 weeks? I plan on taking some liver protective supps even thought it's supposed to be rather mild.

Thanks,
L

[longhorn814]

i wouldnt run var for 14 weeks..besides adding extra stress to your liver, oral steroids will destroy your lipid profile..your HDL will be close to 0 for most of that time..cut it back to 6-8 weeks

[juicenchris2989]

run the var no more than 8 wks and probally should be run the last 8wks

[LatinoPR]

1st cycle no need for Anavar.









LPR.

[LiftingInTheUSA]

i wouldnt run var for 14 weeks..besides adding extra stress to your liver, oral steroids will destroy your lipid profile..your HDL will be close to 0 for most of that time..cut it back to 6-8 weeks

Thanks. I originally planned to run the VAR for eight weeks but was told to run it longer. Seems like my HDL/LDL and liver will thank me if I only do it for eight. That said, here's my tentative cycle now:

Cycle:
Week 1-12: Test.C 300mg twice/week
Week 8-13: Anavar 25mg twice/day
Week 1-14: HCG 250iu twice/week

PCT:
Week 15: Clomid 100mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 16: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 17: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg
Week 18: Clomid 50mg/Aromasin 25mg

1. Do you guys think I should hold off on an AI while on until I determine if I'm gyno prone?

2. How's the test.C dose look at 600mg/week?

[admirals56]

its a decent amount you will grow like a weed in puberty on this cycle

[Gumby]

HCG isnt neccesary in your 1st cycle bro.

[LiftingInTheUSA]

HCG isnt neccesary in your 1st cycle bro.

Hmmm...so my nuts are less at risk of atrophy becaust it's my first cycle? I'd think they'll still shut down pretty hard with all the test I'll be taking in...

[Amorphic]

HCG isnt neccesary in your 1st cycle bro.

and you've come to this conclusion how?

LiftingInTheUSA, you can run hcg through your cycle, although as stated before you can also choose to run it for the last 4-6 weeks into pct if you choose as well.

[LiftingInTheUSA]

Perfect, that's what I was hoping to hear...