2nd cycle advice

[Musulhed1010]

I want to try a cutting /quality gain cycle
I was thinking
250ml test ethanate 1-12
600ml deca 600 1-10
anavar @80 1-6/8 weeks
clomid 100m 30 days
nolva 25m 30 days




what do you guys think of that

[breakbones]

I don't think anyone will answer without you're stats.

[Musulhed1010]

I am 27 225 pounds 13 to 15 percent body fat. Been working out for over 8 years. Finished my 1 cycle 4 to 5 months ago.

[The Deuce]

I think you mean MGs and not MLs and uhhh bro... waaaaay to much DECA and not enough test... you dont want deca dikk my man. And I personally would get rid of the Clomid and go with some HCG and Aramosin. Just a thought...

[axemurderer187]

your dosages are all jacked up. You deffentley need to take more test then deca each week. I too would add aramosin to keep off bloat.

[Musulhed1010]

sorry yeah I meant mg's, lol. tell me if I am wrong, but I have read several times thay all you need is an hrt dose of test to keep your sex drive. I guess I want to avoid any test sides.

[SL63]

Throw the deca in the garbage.. It shuts you down too hard!

If you want some good quality lean gains. Do EQ 600mg/week and 60mg Anavar ED for 3 months. You will look amazing if you diet is decent.

[IM MACHO]

just curious what was your first cycle that u ran?

[juicenchris2989]

T-REX1
3months of anavar ?

[Musulhed1010]

is eq that good, I keep reading that many dont have a favorable result.
I believe that anavar should be taken for 6 to 8 weeks.

I did test at 400 mg a week for 10weeks and 250mg for another 3 weeks
deca 300mg for 10 weeks.
and I tried a bottle of winny to see if there was a nice finishing result so winny 50ed for 20 days.
my pct was nolva clomid and 10000iu of hcg

I actually started taking test at 500mg a week but by week 3, I was expirencing some wierd sides and lowered my dose.

[The Deuce]

12 weeks of VAR?? you are out of your mind... that's too long... I'm just going to stop saying it because i have said it like 20 times already... TEST is essential... you shouldnt ever run any other compound without it. Do whatever you want just don't come crying to us here when stuff starts going wrong and ED is what you are experiencing.. know your stuff before doing anything.

[juicenchris2989]

what were you experiencing that was so weird? and how low did your lower your dose?

[juicenchris2989]

Agree with Deuce ^^^^^ hell trex1 should get banned for giving out such bad advice all in favor pls do us all the favor TREX go read some more before you start typing again

[Musulhed1010]

By week 3 I was short of breath all day long for a week and a half. I started to get so much anxiety that I had an attack and went to the hospital. My face got pins and needles and I could barely breath. It was very weird. I lowered my dose to around 400mg weekly sometimes 350mg. My sides went away at that point and so did my anxiety after a while.

[juicenchris2989]

wow never heard of those sides and 500mgs isnt that high of a dose either but 400mgs is ok but your gonna have to drop that eq dose and the var just run it 6 - 8wks pls dont listen to that guy he dont know what hes saying

[mx3]

why do you guys think that test needs to be ran higher than the other compounds. 250mg test wk is definately enough for most people to keep libido issues at bay. If not it could be related to prog. sides from the 19-nor. many people run their test lower than the other compounds in the idea that the other compounds will do most of the work. And to the thread question. 2nd cycle deca should be ran at 400mg considering you ran it last cycle at 300mg wk. theres no need to go to 600mg yet wait until you need to. for pct I would add an ai. Also deca might give you some bloat if you can get you might want to check out npp. (short ester deca) you dont retain as much water on it if you are dead set on running the deca.

[mx3]

If you can get hcg, I would run hcg, nolva, aromasin for pct works very well.

[Musulhed1010]

I only gained 15 pounds on my 1st cycle. I know my compounds wernt high but it wasnt a crazy result. I am not dead set on running deca. I want something other than anavar in the mix. eq is another mild, quality gain roid but it seems deca might be a better choice from most peoples opinion. If I could find masteron I would probally try that one instead.

[onehundredk]

wk 1-14 test e 250mg/2x wkly/ 500mg wkly
wk 1-12 deca 300mg/ wkly/ 300mg wkly
use var last 6 weeks of cycle at 50mg

but remember, you bulk, you cut, you dont bulk and cut...
GOOD LUCK

[longhorn814]

Deca isnt the most ideal compound if youre trying to cut..you could try NPP, Eq, or tren..and no you dont have to run test higher than deca or whatever either..you might like Eq around 600mg/wk with that dose of test and var

[onehundredk]

Throw the deca in the garbage.. It shuts you down too hard!

If you want some good quality lean gains. Do EQ 600mg/week and 60mg Anavar ED for 3 months. You will look amazing if you diet is decent.

ok dont do that!

[Big]

why do you guys think that test needs to be ran higher than the other compounds. 250mg test wk is definately enough for most people to keep libido issues at bay. If not it could be related to prog. sides from the 19-nor. many people run their test lower than the other compounds in the idea that the other compounds will do most of the work. And to the thread question. 2nd cycle deca should be ran at 400mg considering you ran it last cycle at 300mg wk. theres no need to go to 600mg yet wait until you need to. for pct I would add an ai. Also deca might give you some bloat if you can get you might want to check out npp. (short ester deca) you dont retain as much water on it if you are dead set on running the deca.

thank you.

[Musulhed1010]

Thats what I thought as well. I have read many times that all you need is a hrt dose of test to maintain sex drive. I hate when people just throw advice that is wrong. I am going to read up on eq. and I know that there is bulk and there is cut, but I dont see why I cant achieve a lean bulk running quality compounds. even if its 10 pounds that I will keep as compared to 20 that I will lose a larger percent of and gain body fat. a clean diet should give me quality gains weather the compounds are used for bulk or cut correct?

[duramaxedge]

mx3 - Very true.. we usually insist people to use 500mg with Deca for a 'stack' .. in which they will use a higher dose of Test to grow from instead of a trt dose..

The basic concept is this.. Using the 19-nor and other compounds makes your body stop producing HPTA.. (supressing your HPTA output).. which in turn creates libido issues for Males.. Same concept with taking Test.. Your nuts basically wave at you and say.. Im taking a trip because your adding synthetic test and dont need me.. SO.. By using a Test Replacement Therapy dose or Hormone Replacement Therapy dose of test which should be higher or close to your natural production amount of testosterone you will either a. have no libido issues.. or b. have a increased libido which is what I aim for.

So to wrap this up.. when you take the Eq, deca, winny, etc. that can suppress you Deca being horrible at this.. Your Nuts waive bye and theres nothing to replace the testosterone.. (this may not be 100% accurate but very close in explaining the theory)

Hope this helps out and clears the air..

[Musulhed1010]

I feel like I should just do test 500 for 8 weeks with an ai to keep bloat off and use anavar for 6 to 8 weeks at 70mg a day. Have a kick ass diet and get ripped. Any one just agree with that. I would do anavar alone but I am scared of it suppresing my libido since the dose is high. I feel like my sex drive is not 100 percent back and I dont want to keep suppresing it.

[duramaxedge]

Test enanthe for 8 weeks is a bad idea.. Your not going to be feeling it till week 5 ish..

I would do 10wks minimum on enanthe

[Musulhed1010]

I gained 8 pounds by my 3rd week by front loading test my first cycle. I actually want to focus on the anavar and have the test helping out in the background and maintaining my labido