Anger with test 250 and Dbol

[joeystraube]

just curious if there is nething to help control anger while takin test 250 and dbol. i have taken 3 other cycles of a test and deca stack, my anger went up dramaticly... any advice on how to control anger?

[Dizz28]

it's simple - Don't be an a**hole.

I've always had this belief... If you weren't an a**hole before taking juice then you won't be one during. Take anger management classes and go see a psych. to see where this deep seated anger is coming from

[ZaneFan]

Don't be an a**hole.

I've always had this belief... If you weren't an a**hole before taking juice then you won't be one during. Take anger management classes and go see a psych. to see where this deep seated anger is coming from

Not put very diplomatically but true.

[juicenchris2989]

lmao ^^^^^

[admirals56]

very true. i have a friend who is nice as can be when hes on cycle and i dont no anyone who gets mad on cycle. and im in college with assholes and ego hunters

[longhorn814]

its all in your head bro..learn to control your temper..like Dizz said either your an a-hole or youre not..dont use juice as an excuse

[PureLife07]

I still don't believe in "roid rage" like longhorn said. It's all in your dome. Just take deep breaths! maybe count back from ten....?

[FREAK]

grow up

[PureLife07]

It was a joke... Settle

[FREAK]

no im saying roid rage is all in ur head.if ur flyin of the handle grow up

[Dizz28]

Not put very diplomatically but true.

I just don't like when people use gear or any other medication as a cop out. Take responsability for yourself, and fix whatever the underlining problem is

[PureLife07]

Ok. My apologies.

[FREAK]

np bro

[legobricks]

This is why the media is the way they are on steroids, becuase people who do not know how to control their anger and use "roids" as an excuse. Stupid IMO.

[duramaxedge]

Experience.. Know your reaction to prevent the reaction... Best way I can put it..

[joeystraube]

..

I still don't believe in "roid rage" like longhorn said. It's all in your doome. Just take deep breaths! maybe count back from ten....?

the thing is though shit that never pisses me off when i am off pisses me like a motha when i am on. i know some of it is is in your head but alot of things u take **** with you too.

[peteroy01]

i get a little more aggressive while on cycle but i can control my emotions as long as i stay sober, unless somebody is driving 55 in a 70

[joeystraube]

i get a little more aggressive while on cycle but i can control my emotions as long as i stay sober, unless somebody is driving 55 in a 70

yeah thats my big deal to bro..

[KeepingItBalanced]

be smart... if you are angry, lash out alone, far away from anything or anyone you can hurt or destroy...use the aggression in the gym. I am the easiest going, most calm, and collective person you'd ever meet. I'm generally stressed out to the max with my job, and I break probably once or twice a year with anger for less than 1 minute.

[jerseyboy]

Instead of stupid ****ing suggestions like "don't be an asshole" and "grow up" maybe you could provide some intelligent input on the subject of aggression.

According to theory from evolutionary biology, aggression serves an important function in terms of both individual survival as well as procreation potential. In terms of this evolutionary biological theory, what it comes down to is this: competition arises when resources are limited and therefore animals/species must actively compete in order to increase their own fitness. It does not take a biologist to then infer that aggression is advantageous at both the individual and genetic levels. (1).

Hormones are inextricably linked to behavior as seen by the impact that its presence or absence has on an organism. In terms of aggression, there exists intriguing evidence that there is a definite connection between the hormonal effects of testosterone and the outward expression of aggressive behavior (1). For example, castration leads to a marked decrease in aggression as shown by castration experimentation on various species. Furthermore, when testosterone is replaced through hormone therapy in these castrated animals, the amount of aggression increases and is restored to its original pre-castration level (1). Taken together, this seems to present a strong argument for the role of testosterone in aggression. However, the story does not end here: if we are to suppose that testosterone does in fact lead to aggressive behavior we must then necessarily ask how and why it does. In doing so, we might just find that the original supposition falls through.

Testosterone exerts its hormonal and behavioral effects upon interaction with androgen receptors (i.e., when converted into 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone) or with estrogen receptors (i.e., when converted into estradial by aromatase) (2). . According to some, there exists a "critical time period" (i.e., during development) when testosterone serves to "sensitize" particular neural circuits in the brain. Presumably, this sensitization allows for the effects of testosterone that manifest in adulthood. A recent theory builds upon this story, adding the idea that almost immediately after birth, testosterone leads to the establishment of an "androgen-responsive system" in males. And what about females? It is presumed that a similar androgen system is set-up in females, "although a greater exposure to androgens is required to induce male-like fighting" (2).

Although not the primary function of most hormones, neural activity can be modulated as a result of their presence. For example, it has been shown that some hormones can modify cell permeability and therefore have a crucial impact on ion concentration, membrane potential, synaptic transmission and thus neural communication and behavioral outcomes (2). More specifically, when a hormone such as testosterone acts on a target neuron, the amount of neurotransmitter that is release is significantly affected. For example, it has been suggested (i.e., with experimental data) that testosterone acts on serotonergic synapses and lowers the amount of 5-HT available for synaptic transmission. This is important when coupled with the fairly well accepted idea that the presence of 5-HT serves to inhibit aggression, as shown convincingly in studies done on male rhesus monkeys: Serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as Fluoxentine and several other antidepressants lead to a significant decrease in aggression in both monkeys and humans (2).

Although convincing relationships have been found between testosterone and aggression, hormones in general cannot cause a particular behavioral outcome; they can only facilitate or inhibit the likelihood that such an outcome will occur. For example, the mere presence or level of testosterone is not sufficient in invoking aggressive behavior, as seen by a significant population of males that are not aggressive. There must therefore be other factors involved: at the hormonal level, what about the effects of noradrenaline, acetylocholine or glutamate? It is important to remember here that the endocrine system consists of a complex array of communication pathways, none of which act independently (2).

Furthermore, we know that biological factors do not act in a vacuum and we must therefore concede significant impact and effect from environment and social factors as well. For example, some studies have found that it is not testosterone level that is the best predictor of aggression, but that obesity and lower levels of "good" cholesterol tend to be the best predictors of aggressive behavior in human males (3). Additionally, it has been shown that social status greatly influences the presence/degree of aggressive behavior in both animals and humans. The facts are that higher levels of social status correspond to higher levels of testosterone, although the quandary remains: is this elevated status a result of elevated testosterone levels and the evolutionarily advantageous aggressive behavior it might influence, or is the testosterone level a result of the heightened social status (i.e., building upon the well-supported idea that "winning" social competition leads to an increase in testosterone levels) (4)? It is the age-old nature versus nurture debate, or perhaps more appropriately, nature and nurture discussion.

To come full circle and reiterate this discussion's opening declaration: we do not know for sure whether or not testosterone leads to aggression. Therefore, any assertion of a causal relationship between the two is instantly problematic. Instead, we must continue to learn and to discuss the various possibilities with an open mind, in order to come to a better understanding of the role that testosterone and other hormones play in aggressive behavior.

Resources

1)Gender Website, a comprehensive cross- disciplinary approach to gender difference, touching upon areas such as Psychology, Genetics, Neurobiology, and Development to name a few.

2) Simpson, Katherine. The Role of Testosterone in Aggression. McGill Journal of Medicine, 2001. A thorough biological examination of aggression and the role that hormones play in facilitating/inhibiting aggressive behaviors. Many studies sited, comprehensible graphs presented. As found from the website: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/mjm/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pdf

3)DeNoon, Daniel. Don't Blame Testosterone for Aggression: Angry, Hostile Men Don't Have Extra Sex Hormone. WebMD Medical News, November 11, 2003. A newspaper article reporting on recent findings that Testosterone might not be the most important factor in aggression.

4)Steroids Website, a website dedicated to education regarding anabolic-androgenic steroids. Informative articles available such as: "Psychological and Behavioral Effects of Endogenous Testosterone Levels and Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids Among Males: A Review".

As you can see from these studies, testosterone is not to be blamed for increased aggression. Not directly anyway. It can quite possibly amplify an existing genetic predisposition toward aggressive behavior.

[FREAK]

anyone can copy and paste

[jerseyboy]

So you have a problem with the information that I took the time to find and contribute to the thread.

[Dizz28]

And don't give me that "evolution: it's in our geans" crap either. This is 2007, we haven't had to fight for male dominance in a social setting since the stone age. That's like comparing us with dogs. No thanks buddy.

If you are too weak to control your own emotions and you feel the need to push someone around for "getting in your way", well then maybe you should be compared to a dog. People really don't think your cool pushing someone else around.

I stick to my origional statement

[FREAK]

np do you have a problem with my info

[Dizz28]

And speaking of dogs, most dogs have been domesticated to the point where they aren't aggressive in the least bit. So that kinda says something about Humans that do that crap, doesn't it?

[jerseyboy]

The guy asked for help with something and you tell him to grow up? Yeah I have a problem with that. It's a stupid ****ing answer. On this board we try and share information and experience. If you can't provide either then keep your mouth shut tough guy.

[FREAK]

looks like your the only tough guy here boss u dont like my answer dont read it i was'nt directly tellin him to grow up just in general tough guy

[FREAK]

in my opinion yea grow up!If your gonna go blowin of the handle everytime someone says something u dont like and get your so called roid rage then yes it is time to grow up bro

[longhorn814]

I just got really pissed off b/c my shower curtain kept falling down in one of my spare bathrooms and Im not taking any hormones of any type right now..maybe I should grow up!! lol

[rodgerj]

Jesus H phucking Christ.... someone asks for help and they basically get told to piss off. Nice. I have a suggestion for you joeystraube, take your aggression or anger out in a controlled fashion. Some examples are taking it out on a punch bag, or incorporating it into training. During the training let your aggression out. It can also be helpful to vocalize it, IE shouting etc. Basic stuff but you can't just bottle it up, you will get ill.

It seems you may have to do a little extra research somewhere else as people here seem to be bias and basing there supposed advice on their own feelings towards gear. As is stated in so many other threads regarding diet, ass and lots of other topic's, everyone is different. So your reaction on certain compounds may be different from others. Being angry or simply having anger does not indicate immaturity as stated by others. Its how you deal with it that counts. Asking for advice is a mature step. If you find you are not able to control your behaviour, and deal with your emotions in a controlled fashion then perhaps you should reconsider using ass look into counselling. Only you know if it is a big enough problem..... hope that was helpful.

[FREAK]

I just got really pissed off b/c my shower curtain kept falling down in one of my spare bathrooms and Im not taking any hormones of any type right now..maybe I should grow up!! lol

[rodgerj]

I should also point out to people that in the original post the guy says 'my anger went up dramatically' He has not said anything about 'pushing people about', acting irresponsibly or taking it out on anyone. You are judging him by your own standards and if not by them then by the mind the media has created in you. If one thing is very clear in this thread it is who is being childish and immature. I only hope when I ask for help here I don't get the same kind of emotional based bad advice.

[rodgerj]

(K that was a Joke...)

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I beat my wife to let off some steam

lol jk
roid rage is overrated

[longhorn814]

its kinda funny that if you get pissed off and angry without steroids, youre just an asshole, but if youre on juice then its roid rage!!!

[Kratos]

I liked the post Jerseyboy, sometimes I stick to the louge because people get so damn pissy in here. Hormones influence emotion, it's a fact. When does your gf yell at you? Once a month. I'm a super relaxed passive guy and roid rage doesn't get to me at all, but I could understand a more high strung person having problems. I did get majorly pissed off at one point, running tren alone + my prolactin levels were way high. I could barely drive my car without getting pissed at the traffic lights. The anger was short lived though, only like a day for me.

[rodgerj]

I just don't like when people use gear or any other medication as a cop out. Take responsability for yourself, and fix whatever the underlining problem is

So are you saying that gear or any other medication could never cause behavioural changes? or changes in emotion and feelings? Not sure how many times I have read on this board about how Test E has increased sex drive resulting in more sexual behaviour be it whacking off in your woman's/mans face or sticking your bone in her horizontal smile/His chocolate starfish.

I do agree you can't go around being a dick and blame it on the illegal substances you have injected into your body but he is not doing that. He simply said he noticed raised aggression and asked for some suggestions.

[peteroy01]

good post Jersey. most people are arrogant enough to think we arent animals.

[RBIZZY]

i had some rage my first cycle... im trying the approch that its all in my head this cycle and it seems to help.... maybe im just an azzhole at times, so im trying to change that, seems to be going well so far, except in traffic.....i dont think my traffic rage will ever go away...lol

[RBIZZY]

Instead of stupid ****ing suggestions like "don't be an asshole" and "grow up" maybe you could provide some intelligent input on the subject of aggression.

According to theory from evolutionary biology, aggression serves an important function in terms of both individual survival as well as procreation potential. In terms of this evolutionary biological theory, what it comes down to is this: competition arises when resources are limited and therefore animals/species must actively compete in order to increase their own fitness. It does not take a biologist to then infer that aggression is advantageous at both the individual and genetic levels. (1).

Hormones are inextricably linked to behavior as seen by the impact that its presence or absence has on an organism. In terms of aggression, there exists intriguing evidence that there is a definite connection between the hormonal effects of testosterone and the outward expression of aggressive behavior (1). For example, castration leads to a marked decrease in aggression as shown by castration experimentation on various species. Furthermore, when testosterone is replaced through hormone therapy in these castrated animals, the amount of aggression increases and is restored to its original pre-castration level (1). Taken together, this seems to present a strong argument for the role of testosterone in aggression. However, the story does not end here: if we are to suppose that testosterone does in fact lead to aggressive behavior we must then necessarily ask how and why it does. In doing so, we might just find that the original supposition falls through.

Testosterone exerts its hormonal and behavioral effects upon interaction with androgen receptors (i.e., when converted into 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone) or with estrogen receptors (i.e., when converted into estradial by aromatase) (2). . According to some, there exists a "critical time period" (i.e., during development) when testosterone serves to "sensitize" particular neural circuits in the brain. Presumably, this sensitization allows for the effects of testosterone that manifest in adulthood. A recent theory builds upon this story, adding the idea that almost immediately after birth, testosterone leads to the establishment of an "androgen-responsive system" in males. And what about females? It is presumed that a similar androgen system is set-up in females, "although a greater exposure to androgens is required to induce male-like fighting" (2).

Although not the primary function of most hormones, neural activity can be modulated as a result of their presence. For example, it has been shown that some hormones can modify cell permeability and therefore have a crucial impact on ion concentration, membrane potential, synaptic transmission and thus neural communication and behavioral outcomes (2). More specifically, when a hormone such as testosterone acts on a target neuron, the amount of neurotransmitter that is release is significantly affected. For example, it has been suggested (i.e., with experimental data) that testosterone acts on serotonergic synapses and lowers the amount of 5-HT available for synaptic transmission. This is important when coupled with the fairly well accepted idea that the presence of 5-HT serves to inhibit aggression, as shown convincingly in studies done on male rhesus monkeys: Serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as Fluoxentine and several other antidepressants lead to a significant decrease in aggression in both monkeys and humans (2).

Although convincing relationships have been found between testosterone and aggression, hormones in general cannot cause a particular behavioral outcome; they can only facilitate or inhibit the likelihood that such an outcome will occur. For example, the mere presence or level of testosterone is not sufficient in invoking aggressive behavior, as seen by a significant population of males that are not aggressive. There must therefore be other factors involved: at the hormonal level, what about the effects of noradrenaline, acetylocholine or glutamate? It is important to remember here that the endocrine system consists of a complex array of communication pathways, none of which act independently (2).

Furthermore, we know that biological factors do not act in a vacuum and we must therefore concede significant impact and effect from environment and social factors as well. For example, some studies have found that it is not testosterone level that is the best predictor of aggression, but that obesity and lower levels of "good" cholesterol tend to be the best predictors of aggressive behavior in human males (3). Additionally, it has been shown that social status greatly influences the presence/degree of aggressive behavior in both animals and humans. The facts are that higher levels of social status correspond to higher levels of testosterone, although the quandary remains: is this elevated status a result of elevated testosterone levels and the evolutionarily advantageous aggressive behavior it might influence, or is the testosterone level a result of the heightened social status (i.e., building upon the well-supported idea that "winning" social competition leads to an increase in testosterone levels) (4)? It is the age-old nature versus nurture debate, or perhaps more appropriately, nature and nurture discussion.

To come full circle and reiterate this discussion's opening declaration: we do not know for sure whether or not testosterone leads to aggression. Therefore, any assertion of a causal relationship between the two is instantly problematic. Instead, we must continue to learn and to discuss the various possibilities with an open mind, in order to come to a better understanding of the role that testosterone and other hormones play in aggressive behavior.

Resources

1)Gender Website, a comprehensive cross- disciplinary approach to gender difference, touching upon areas such as Psychology, Genetics, Neurobiology, and Development to name a few.

2) Simpson, Katherine. The Role of Testosterone in Aggression. McGill Journal of Medicine, 2001. A thorough biological examination of aggression and the role that hormones play in facilitating/inhibiting aggressive behaviors. Many studies sited, comprehensible graphs presented. As found from the website: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/mjm/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pdf

3)DeNoon, Daniel. Don't Blame Testosterone for Aggression: Angry, Hostile Men Don't Have Extra Sex Hormone. WebMD Medical News, November 11, 2003. A newspaper article reporting on recent findings that Testosterone might not be the most important factor in aggression.

4)Steroids Website, a website dedicated to education regarding anabolic-androgenic steroids. Informative articles available such as: "Psychological and Behavioral Effects of Endogenous Testosterone Levels and Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids Among Males: A Review".

As you can see from these studies, testosterone is not to be blamed for increased aggression. Not directly anyway. It can quite possibly amplify an existing genetic predisposition toward aggressive behavior.

by the way, good post.....