off-cycle and the world has ended....

[Towel]

bro's i feel like shit. I seriously don't know what to do. I just finished my first cycle. I did 9 weeks deca and 10 weeks Test E. After that i did 10 days prop, so that could start pct 3 days after last shot and hopefully have less fall back. So I started 3 days ago with PCT. Everyday that passes i feel worse. I knew there was going to be a fall back, but not like this damn. My metabolism is crap. I am living on 4 slices of bread. I can't eat anything. Whatever i eat, i throw up again. I feel so weak and tired. I can't sleep at night and I train like a wimp. I already lost 6 pounds like it was nothing. As for my libido, obviously it's low. I have no problem having an erection, but there is no way that i can come. Actually libido problems where the last thing i worried about. But I have this new girl now and she is like a pornstar. She is trying to get me crazy and stuff to do it with her, but i can't and she is really starting to think i am weird...

well i don't think i can do anything about this stuff. Only time can fix the problem. I am not going to take more medication, i had enough for a while.
I might do some slin, maybe it will help a little with my metabolism. But the question is how long will it take for me to recover?

[Von Dutch]

Try B12 injections.

Deca is good for gains, bad for recovery.

[mattuk]

What pct regime are you using?

[Towel]

Try B12 injections.

Deca is good for gains, bad for recovery.

thx i am going to do do some research on that.

What pct regime are you using?

regular nolvadex pct

week1-2: 40mg ED
week 3-4: 20mg ED

[Calcium]

You need more of an aggressive pct for deca.

[Booz]

Try B12 injections.

Deca is good for gains, bad for recovery.

ive never had a problem recovering from deca,if a proper pct is taken.....................

[Towel]

You need more of an aggressive pct for deca.

ow great i have been reading 2 years everything about aas and asked a hundred people there opinions and now the pct is weak. What would you prefer? It was only 200mg deca in a week, it was a standard nobie cycle, don't think you would need more than that.

ive never had a problem recovering from deca,if a proper pct is taken.....................

what pct do you use?

[Renesis]

It doesn't matter if it is "only" 200mg of deca. 1 shot will suppress you almost completely for the most part. A regular nolvadex pct is for test only,var,tbol. Look into the Anthony Roberts pct for 19-nors.

[reppedout1]

i would add in aromasin at 25 mg a day for 4 weeks,ya always want an ai and a serm in your pct.i pretty much always do an aromasin/nolva pct,works out well for me....repped

[longhorn814]

yes you need aromasin at 25mg/day..sounds like your estrogren levels are sky high..get yourself some viagra or cialis to make it through this period..B12 may help with your appetitite too..yes PCT sucks but you learn what works best for you with experience..hell my last cycle was 22 weeks and consisted of a bunch of crap..I recovered fully in less than 30 days and lost hardly any of my gains..I got bloodwork to prove it too..you'll be fine..its not the end of the world..

[AMD64]

I finished a Test E and Deca cycle back in August and that was my 1st Deca cycle it really shut me down. It took 3 months for me to feel normal again and I had a strong PCT. NO MORE DECA for this cat...

[Towel]

ok thx guys i am going to get some B12 and aromasin

[RBIZZY]

hcg too, this will help your boys get back to normal faster.... deff get some hcg

[Lexed]

ya dude deca no matter what dose is very suppressive and thats why you are feeling like crap. I would order some clomid from lion asap

[smokeyd]

yeah im out on deca it got me for about 6 months

[gixxerboy1]

hcg too, this will help your boys get back to normal faster.... deff get some hcg

do not use hcg during your pct

[duramaxedge]

Why not run Clomid?

Are you taking a Mega Vitamin?
the b12 would help the appetitie..

Bro if this is your cycle.. You gotta keep in mind your hormones and mind can play tricks on you.. I feel like shit in PCT.. and my mind messes with me.. so Stay in tune man and just get through it.... Dont fall out and stop lifting

[Booz]

i used to use the basic clomid/nolva pct with some hcg to start it off,
but i dont use clomid anymore and follow ARs pct.............

[Calcium]

i used to use the basic clomid/nolva pct with some hcg to start it off,
but i dont use clomid anymore and follow ARs pct.............

I would agree with the above but remember in future when designing a cycle what trouble you have recovering and plan a cycle around better compounds to suit your recovery. Sometimes if you struggle recovering from certain compounds it seems kinda pointless using them again because while your in this state your lossing all the hard earn tissue you built.

Future design a cycle around what you have learnt.

[timtim]

better be extra tight with the diet. estrogen related fat gain is a bad side of being shut down, be careful and vigilant.

[RBIZZY]

do not use hcg during your pct

why does anthony roberts suggest it?

[Footballer2]

bro i kno the feeling i kno this is obvious but when i finished my last cycle i was like dead tired all the time same deal in the rack...i went to the doc and my test was like deathly low...i ran clomid nolvadex and arimadex for my pct and it took me a while to recovery man..

[gixxerboy1]

why does anthony roberts suggest it?

I'm talking about now this guy is to far into his pct. IMO

[inky-e]

i'm winding down my sust and deca cycle and along with my pct i'm thinking of using an anti-depressant,just thinkin about it,haven't decided,any input?

[longhorn814]

why does anthony roberts suggest it?

just b/c AR suggests something, doesnt mean its the word of god!!

[RBIZZY]

I'm talking about now this guy is to far into his pct. IMO

yeah your prob. right.

[largerthannormal]

well there goes my ideas on using deca next.

[legobricks]

Hahahah he is feeling like crap most likely because he did not have a strong enough PCT. You wont know until you try it for yourself. Thats why isuggest HCG to you bro. Also aromasin/nolva pct would be great. Anyone with reviews on Toremafine vs nolva?

[passthetest]

damn i used a basic nolva/clomid pct for deca test with deca at 400 mgs and i reecovered fine.. everyones diff

[RBIZZY]

yeah i didnt have a harsh recovery after my first cycle with deca.... i guess every is different.

[Fjock]

yes you need aromasin at 25mg/day..sounds like your estrogren levels are sky high..get yourself some viagra or cialis to make it through this period..B12 may help with your appetitite too..yes PCT sucks but you learn what works best for you with experience..hell my last cycle was 22 weeks and consisted of a bunch of crap..I recovered fully in less than 30 days and lost hardly any of my gains..I got bloodwork to prove it too..you'll be fine..its not the end of the world..

I agree with this. Especially the cialis part. That stuff can do wonders for your libido when you are struggling coming off. If you are dealing with the pornstar type, id give it a shot... may do wonders for her too haha

[Fjock]

well there goes my ideas on using deca next.

bro like people on this thread have already said, everyone is different. Dont let one members bad pct experience stop you from trying something as basic as deca. You could be missing out on some good gains. I had no trouble at all with my first time coming off deca

[smokeyd]

I agree with this. Especially the cialis part. That stuff can do wonders for your libido when you are struggling coming off. If you are dealing with the pornstar type, id give it a shot... may do wonders for her too haha

so cialis helped your libido? I was thinking it just helped your boy get hard.

[ZaneFan]

so cialis helped your libido? I was thinking it just helped your boy get hard.

It does not help your libido per se but it makes your dick hard with very little stimulation. This can feed into your libido.

[Towel]

ok bro's i talked to my supplier and he can only offer me nolvadex and clomid. No aromasin or other stuff. So i thought i should at least take some clomid. I should have it tomorrow so I will start eating those suckers immediately. My stomach is still crap, it's like it's loaded with acids and hurts like crap. I seriously need to fix that soon, because no food is as catabolic as you can get.Overal I am still feeling like a bag of shit. I am having seconds toughts ever use something again. I trained almost 2 years and put all my time and money in it and there was nothing in the world i liked to do more and now i get sick looking at a purple one pound dumbbell. I can't believe this stuff has taken me so down. I hope i recover as soon as possible and stop being so emo and ***** and train hard again. As for cialis, i don't need that. I can get it up and it stays hard no problems with that.

thx and best of luck to you all.