first cycle

[joe2009]

i know i am gonna get slated for this as i know all of u dnt rate the idea but its want i want for my first cycle, if its good enough for flex wheeler and arnold then it good enough for me. basically i want to run dbol on its own for 8 weeks and use a very low dose of 25mg split into 2 doses, just wondering what pct i should incorperate.

[juicenchris2989]

stats ?
and why a dbol only ?

[joe2009]

i am 6ft 2, just turned 20, weigh 17st8 with little bodyfat, kinda reached a point where i ent growing no more.
as for why a dbol only cycle, i just wanna see how my body reacts to roids before i jump in and start a proper cycle of test

[mx3]

dont worry about a pct cause you will lose almost everything anyways.

[mx3]

at those stats your not ready for any kind of aas use.

[juicenchris2989]

a dbol only cycle is a huge waste and a test cycle of 500mgs 12 wks will let you know how you react to roids

[longhorn814]

if you cant gain anymore weight at your age its b/c your diet is crap..if you cant gain naturally at your age, you wont gain much from steroids...im pretty sure flex wheeler knows how to properly eat too....

[joe2009]

whats wrong with my stats exactly? i know i am ready and i know i am bigger than most guys on roids already

[joe2009]

if you read his book u would know he started taking dbol on its own at 19, he lived of macci ds for like the first 2 years on roids coz he couldnt afford to eat right,

[longhorn814]

well if youre bigger than most of them, why do you want to take them? Keep growing naturally..at 20 you have high testosterone levels already..why mess that up and shut it down for juice? Get as big as you can naturally..you say you stopped..but im sure your diet isnt as good as you think..a lot of people think they know how to eat, but they find out they are wrong. I used to think I knew how to eat too..boy was I wrong..once I learned I made the best natural gains of my life and that rolled over into the steroids too

[longhorn814]

flex wheeler probably had the best genetics the bodybuilding world has ever seen too

[joe2009]

look i dnt wanna cause a debate bout it but its wat i want to do, i know that if i wanna make an impact in bodybuilding i gt to do it while i young, so ne pct recomendations would be great

[tripmachine]

Just because someone did it that was a legend and really buff doesn't mean it's the best and most appropriate route to choose... What is known about roids today is much greater than what was known in the 60's / 70's... Dbol only will shut your body down basically.... you will get size off of it but more than likely it will be lost a short while later... A lot of times when I read this type of post of question I notice people want to try an 'oral' based AAS because I feel most of them are fearful of taking injectables... whether it be fear of needles or possibly stereo typing like the rest of the world and thinking that injectables are worse for you because you are 'INJECTING' shit into your own body and that just doesn't seem right... a pill seems ok because people take different kinds of pills everyday all day long so it's more of a norm than injecting something into your body.... test will be injected and bypass your liver which is way safer... also it's not going to mess you up like dbol alone would.... you will love the results much more from test + dbol than dbol alone... even test alone will be way better than dbol alone. Arnold is a legend... but they didn't know what we know about the AAS use we do now... whatever route you go, good luck! PCT should always be on hand... make sure you have it BEFORE you start dbol.... don't make the mistake like many do and start a cycle without having it because you may regret your choices... I'll let someone else chime in on WHAT PCT you should use since someone else could better tell you for dbol only..

[tripmachine]

look i dnt wanna cause a debate bout it but its wat i want to do, i know that if i wanna make an impact in bodybuilding i gt to do it while i young, so ne pct recomendations would be great

you did make a debate by posting a question in a forum that MANY of the users just don't agree with... These users here in this forum are smart for the most part and do their research.. It sounds like to me that you haven't really done much research on a dbol only cycle other than reading in a book that so and so did it so it must be a good idea. 20 years old and you are still growing so why do you want to limit your natural gains by starting AAS? If you gained as much as you could naturally first then took a cycle you could be bigger than you would be if you cycled right now.... If you truly cared about your 'bodybuilding career' then you would probably not start juicing at the age of 20 because you wanted to get the BEST results possible so you could be the best you can be. You obviously came to this forum because you think people know what they're talking about here so maybe you should listen to what everyone is telling you and take advice from people that are very knowledgeable regarding this topic... I don't think you are going to get many positive answers in here and if you do you will probably follow the first positive recommendation you see because that's what you 'want' to hear... good luck!

[joe2009]

i ent fazed one bit bout injecting, i jus dnt understand bout the different needle sizes and wat days are best to inject ect. i know from me saying that u will all say i ent ready but the thing is the research i have done is from books and the net, i havent actually gt anyone to show me

[High-roller]

Well buddy I am in your shoe, I have had the d-bol and I gain 15 poundS IN 10WEEKS AND didn't eat the greatest and workout like 5 times a week, and I had NO test/ No PCT.
and lost 5 pounds after cycle. So I am not sure if it was cause I had like 8 meals a day but I am a heavy eater all year around, and when I was taking d-bol and shake I got killer gains and killer pumps. But I will NEVER do it alone again. anyways with the hole DIET, That is huge for any bodybuilder, check this out and you will understand where I am coming from.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

This info and video changed me over in 1 hour

[joe2009]

looks fanks for the time to type that out to help me i do appreciate it, but i dnt know ne one on roids

[joe2009]

thanks high roller will watch it now

[joe2009]

jus comes up with this thread

[tripmachine]

regarding injecting:

You can get 18' gauge pins to get the test into the syringe in a fast manner then you can inject using a 23' gauge or 25' gauge (less pain) 23 gauge isn't painful really but you may feel it a tad more than 25' just make sure you get 1" long pins at the minimum or 1 1/2" I base that off of how big of a person you are to begin with... You can find out where to inject by checking out this link... http://www.steroid.com/inject.php It's really the thought that gets to people the first few times but after that it becomes a regular thing you get used to. If we can't steer you away from starting a cycle at your age AT LEAST take the advice given on what you should take..... Let us know if you have further questions because we are willing to help out, just don't want to see someone make a mistake they will regret later on.. GL!

[KJSolid]

6'2" 178 lbs and you are bigger than must guys that are on the sauce? Man I must be a f*in monster.

[redz]

lol I started my first cycle at 6'2.5" 238lbs that was 15 days ago now im 257lbs lol. 178 is skinny at your height. Some people are funny.

[joe2009]

i didnt say 178, if u read it i said 17 stone 8
thats about 114 kg

[redz]

I didnt read sorry, I just followed suite with the last poster, my bad

[joe2009]

so do u think at my weight i am ready for a cycle

[KJSolid]

what does 114 kg translate to in lbs?

[redz]

well you are big, I dont think 20 is terrible but some people will tell you that you might not be done growing but at your height I doubt thats of huge concern. I just started at 24, I alwas swore I never would but decided to go for it. Just remember even if its only dbol this time that you are likely to use them again in the future and probably more different types and what not. All I`m saying is you are opening pandoras box sorta speak and be careful what you wish for. Always respect what you are doing and be as careful as you can and never cut corners. Be safe.

[redz]

thats 250lbs.

[longhorn814]

youre a pretty big guy, but if youre gonna do it, do it correctly...dont run dbol alone..the majority of people that do, lose most of their gains, granted there are exeptions. Saying you want to see how you react to steroids is a crap excuse..do it right get some test and run a good 10-12 week cycle with a good PCT..you'll love it way more than dbol alone..injecting isnt bad either..with test e or cyp you only have to inject twice a week

[KJSolid]

You have already made it clear that our opinions do not matter. "dont want to debate, cause its wat I want to do," so why are you asking for our approval. Your gonna do what you want to do

[joe2009]

if i ran dbol and test wat sort of gains could i expect to gain with my weight as big as it is

[joe2009]

kj solid i understand wat u r saying but i just want to know wat pct i would run on a dbol only cycle if that was the route i chose to go down

[longhorn814]

if i ran dbol and test wat sort of gains could i expect to gain with my weight as big as it is

all depends on your diet..20 lbs is easily possible in 12 weeks on test and dbol..you always hear people saying they put on 30 lbs or so..well a lot of that is water...if you can add 15-20 keepable lbs..then you had a good cycle..as for PCT..i prefer nolva and aromasin