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I am not ADD but I do use adderall to help me stay up and study. I just started a D-bol/Deca/Test ctle and was wondering if it is ok to take the two together? Since Adderall is an Amphetamine I don't want to have a heart attack or something while on ASS. Does anybody know or have experience in the matter?
Dharb
Adderall is very adictive. I have ADD and been on that drug for 3 months. It has helped tremendously and it is killer in the gym. If you are taking it and really dont need it, I would stop!! I missed 4 days and it was hell.
I only it take once every couple weeks for big exams, addiction is not a problem. Just don't want a heart atatck.
do you mean physically? well, my doc tells me that shit has a high value on the street and people are shooting it??? WTF, i personally dislike the feeling of Adderall (unless i have to study or actually pay attention to something, that is)...i just don't see how fucking junkies can get addicted to this crap??? I have been prescribed Ritaln/Dexadrine/Adderall (currently) since i was 12 yrs old (23 now). I am no where even remotely close to being "addicted" in any way.Quote:
Originally posted by LAWNSAVER
Adderall is very adictive.
to answer your question,m yes, it should be fine to be dosed up while on AS...it was for me at least...didn't effective my training negatively at all...only thing that really sucked was the loss of appetite, but i was running EQ so i was cool...
Yes, adderall being a combination of anphetimenes(SP) is physically addictive. Medical fact. I guess you are just an exception to the rule.
no doubt amphetamines are physically addictive..but i think i am hardly an exception to the rule...i know many people who take this drug as well as others like it, and they are far from addicted...i believe people who get addicted to something like adderall are obviously using it for the wrong reasons...Quote:
Originally posted by LAWNSAVER
Yes, adderall being a combination of anphetimenes(SP) is physically addictive. Medical fact. I guess you are just an exception to the rule.
Boys, boys . . .
Here is a fundamental fact about the amphetamine drugs . . . Ritalin, Dexadrine, and Adderall are all amphetamines, and they are all adictive. All three have been used successfully to treat ADD, but in the context of a therapeutic regimen for ADD, they do not act as amphetamines.
In other words, take two identical 15-year-olds and feed them Adderall. The kid with ADD will be able to focus more, and he will not feel the effects of the amphetamine qualities. But the kid without ADD will be speeding his ass off. That's because ADD has both psychological and physical properties, although the diagnosis of ADD is based primarily on psychological criteria.
An ADD'er who is on a treatment regimen is using a therapeutic dose, just as someone who shoots testosterone as part of an HRT regimen is using a therapeutic dose. And therapeutic dosages tend to be non-addictiive (for some, but not all, drugs). Even then, if someone were to tell me that he has been using Ritalin/Dexadrine/Adderall every day, perhaps several times a day, for a dozen years and is not an addict, my first response would be to say, "Okay, then stop using it. Cold." I guarantee that person would experience withdrawal symptoms.
Meanwhile, I've got news for y'all, kiddies. If you are not an ADD'er and simply need help studying, you will get just as much of a boost from caffeine as you will from an amphetamine. Try it - just take one or two No-Doz or Vivarin (each of which contains 200 mg. of caffeine, approximately equal to two cups of coffee). You may not be able to fall asleep easily that night, but the caffeine will have the desired effect in terms of focus. What it will not have is the same "crash" effect as amphetamines . . . nor the same addictive qualities.
Many athletes, especially runners, use caffeine to increase their endurance. In fact, caffeine alone has the same effect as an ECA stack but is far less danerous because you omit the ephedra or ephedrine. Even then, however (to answer Dharb's original question), both caffeine and amphetamines increase the heart rate big-time, so if you are prone to heart disease (through family history, for example), you should stay away from all types of these drugs.
very true tnt,but you stated.....
Even then, if someone were to tell me that he has been using Ritalin/Dexadrine/Adderall every day, perhaps several times a day, for a dozen years and is not an addict, my first response would be to say, "Okay, then stop using it. Cold." I guarantee that person would experience withdrawal symptoms.
well, let me tell you,i have been taking adderall/dex/rit since i was 12...not every day, but mainly 5 days a week during each school year (including college, i have not taken one in 4 months or so...i hate the way they make me feel...withdrawn and lethargic at times)...i was so happy when the holidays would role around and especially for summer...i quit cold turkey, no withdrawals and definitely NO cravings for the drug. yes, i am a diagnosed add'er, so maybe that plays a key role in my situation...i personally do speed from these drugs, but a calm speed..very hard to explain unless you've personally experienced it for yourself...just a thought
i agree somewhat, here is my opinion and experience.
I am not add, and therefore when i used to take adderall i would get all "speedy." if i popped a few - it was just like the olden days of puttin a few lines up my nose. However, I never got $hit from NODOZ or other caffeine pills. I took 5 nodoz to stay awake 1 night to study and fell right asleep.
So my thouhghts are that it effects us all differently, (as far as addiction goes.) In all the adderall i ate i never became physically or mentally addicted to it. But my friend (also not add) takes adderall religiously and if he stopps he gets very moody and lethargic.
To answer your question though, I have no idea (unfortunately) about adderall and its effects with AAS. My only assumption would be that adderall is toxic to your liver, like DBOL your running.
peace and good luck
symatech
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Originally posted by symatech
i agree somewhat, here is my opinion and experience.
I am not add, and therefore when i used to take adderall i would get all "speedy." if i popped a few - it was just like the olden days of puttin a few lines up my nose. However, I never got $hit from NODOZ or other caffeine pills. I took 5 nodoz to stay awake 1 night to study and fell right asleep.
So my thouhghts are that it effects us all differently, (as far as addiction goes.) In all the adderall i ate i never became physically or mentally addicted to it. But my friend (also not add) takes adderall religiously and if he stopps he gets very moody and lethargic.
To answer your question though, I have no idea (unfortunately) about adderall and its effects with AAS. My only assumption would be that adderall is toxic to your liver, like DBOL your running.
peace and good luck
symatech
i'm not too sure about it being toxic on the liver bro...i've drank many, many a beer on adderall...never had any negative reaction...try drinking beer on d-bol or any other 17aa...not pretty
You should write a few books in my opinion.Quote:
Originally posted by TNT
Boys, boys . . .
Here is a fundamental fact about the amphetamine drugs . . . Ritalin, Dexadrine, and Adderall are all amphetamines, and they are all adictive. All three have been used successfully to treat ADD, but in the context of a therapeutic regimen for ADD, they do not act as amphetamines.
In other words, take two identical 15-year-olds and feed them Adderall. The kid with ADD will be able to focus more, and he will not feel the effects of the amphetamine qualities. But the kid without ADD will be speeding his ass off. That's because ADD has both psychological and physical properties, although the diagnosis of ADD is based primarily on psychological criteria.
An ADD'er who is on a treatment regimen is using a therapeutic dose, just as someone who shoots testosterone as part of an HRT regimen is using a therapeutic dose. And therapeutic dosages tend to be non-addictiive (for some, but not all, drugs). Even then, if someone were to tell me that he has been using Ritalin/Dexadrine/Adderall every day, perhaps several times a day, for a dozen years and is not an addict, my first response would be to say, "Okay, then stop using it. Cold." I guarantee that person would experience withdrawal symptoms.
Meanwhile, I've got news for y'all, kiddies. If you are not an ADD'er and simply need help studying, you will get just as much of a boost from caffeine as you will from an amphetamine. Try it - just take one or two No-Doz or Vivarin (each of which contains 200 mg. of caffeine, approximately equal to two cups of coffee). You may not be able to fall asleep easily that night, but the caffeine will have the desired effect in terms of focus. What it will not have is the same "crash" effect as amphetamines . . . nor the same addictive qualities.
Many athletes, especially runners, use caffeine to increase their endurance. In fact, caffeine alone has the same effect as an ECA stack but is far less danerous because you omit the ephedra or ephedrine. Even then, however (to answer Dharb's original question), both caffeine and amphetamines increase the heart rate big-time, so if you are prone to heart disease (through family history, for example), you should stay away from all types of these drugs.
Either way, for me the prescribed medication makes me kind of drowsy and causes a total loss of appetite. I am able to focus more until the med wears off, then I'm back to ADD more than usual even. This is effective if you have normal sleep patterns, but since I still 'live the nightlife', it hasnt' been as effective as it could be.
I think dosage also plays a big part in this. At a low dosage, I do get tired with amphetimines including (but not limited to) ritalin. I use the once-a-day pills because I do NOT want to get addicted or dependent on treatment to live my life. However, at a higher dosage, the drug does have the traditional effect on me (speed).
In theory if I took 10 mg of adderal, I would be focus'ed and my nerves would be calm. I wouldn't feel restless, and most likely my leg wouldn't be shaking right now as it always does. However, if I took 40 mg of adderal, I would be thirsty (but not hungry) and kind of jittery and over-talkative.
IN THEORY the same rule would apply to other amphetimines and other drugs that effect your CNS. These do include cocaine and methamphetine. Although they are not classified in the same category of controlled substance, they would have a reserve effect on an individual who suffers from ADD and one who does not. The same rule also applies to drugs such as vicodin (from experience), tylonol 3, caffine (and all its extracts). These are more commonly used drugs and at the recommended dosage, they COULD have a reserve effect on you.
Personally, (what I'll admit to that is) caffine makes me horribly tired to the point where I cannot function. The ECA stack cracks me out terribly, and I cannot sleep, eat, or relax, BUT I AM DEAD TIRED. Higher doses of stimulants (including add treatment drugs) will make me have a speed-like effect, but NORMAL dosage, including time-released drugs will have a very calming effect on me. Vicodin and most pain killers will make me hyper and I will start sweating pretty bad, making sleep almost impossible. Carisphodol (SP), or somas, will relax me, but make me want to go out and party.
These drugs are not something you should experiment about. I knew I was ADD for years before I ever decided to go and get treated for it.
Nahhhh . . . Been there, done that. :DQuote:
Originally posted by rampage76
You should write a few books in my opinion. . .
Two items worth mentioning briefly . . . First, two writers have essentially confirmed what I said above - amphetamines affect ADD'ers (and sometimes, kids in general) differently than they affect people without ADD. Rather than making you speed, they simply help you focus. They are not as addictive to ADD'ers as they are to non-ADD'ers, but they are still addictive.
Second, the long-acting versions of Ritalin and Adderall were actually developed for two reasons. The first is that most ADD'ers taking regular Ritalin would do so three times a day - say, at 8:00 AM, 12:00 PM, and 4:00 PM. They would not take an 8:00 PM dose because it would keep them awake at night. The long-acting versions were designed according to this traditional dosing schedule - to get you through the school day, but to wear off before bedtime.
Second, of course, the long-acting version (of Ritalin, at least) was designed to produce sales for the manufacturer upon the expiration of the original drug's patent. This is the same reason that many new drugs that are variants of old drugs are released. Before the U.S. patent on Glucophage was about to expire last year, the manufacturer relased Glucophage XR (long-acting) and Glucovance (GLucophage combined with another drug). Ditto the manufacturers of Prozac and Fosamax. That's how drug companies attempt to keep their market after generic versions of their proucts are released.
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Originally posted by TNT
Second, of course, the long-acting version (of Ritalin, at least) was designed to produce sales for the manufacturer upon the expiration of the original drug's patent. This is the same reason that many new drugs that are variants of old drugs are released. Before the U.S. patent on Glucophage was about to expire last year, the manufacturer relased Glucophage XR (long-acting) and Glucovance (GLucophage combined with another drug). Ditto the manufacturers of Prozac and Fosamax. That's how drug companies attempt to keep their market after generic versions of their proucts are released.
So basically, your telling me that I am simply some guinea pig for the pharmacutical companies in a brand new drug which was created simply in order to keep them from loosing money to generic drug manufacturers? Now I'm pissed. I have to pay 25 dollars either way though. The only generic right now for the long action versions are methaphenedate er 20mg which doesn't vary at all. Everything else that people usually take, such as concerta, ritalin (la now I suppose), and adderal don't even have a generic, I don't think. The only generic I have been told about was the one for ritalin SR... its interesting that they JUST released the ritalin LA 2 weeks ago, and they won't have a generic for it until about a year.
This whole thing is bullshit in my opinion. I don't think I need treatment for it, I have managed pretty well for myself so far in my life without any help. When I move back to cali, I will try to see a specialist that might recommend something that might be a little better for me. Another thing about the ritalin LA is that you get a kick right after you take it... then it goes down and then another kick. This is how the drug was intended to work in order to relieve you of a second mid-day dosage. The SR on the otherhand was a steady, small dose all day long, without any peaks or anything like that.
I will look into concerta when I get get back, www.concerta.com. They are supposed to have a 12 hour formula which people seem to like very much.
I'm not taking ritalin la again, its not all its hyped up to be.
Thanks for the reply TNT. Everyone you said is fact from what I have researched and from my own personal experience. Its amazing that you have the ability to verbalize the situation so flawlessly.
You must have a ba in journalism!
obviously, watch your orals with the adderall
Adderall is not physically addicting!! I believe adderall is a psychologically addictive drug. Heroin(all opiates in general), benzos (Xanax) and alcohol are the physically addicting drugs. Do you get symptoms like muscle spasms, vomitting, other physical ailments when withdrawling from adderall? No. How do I know, because I was taking around 100 mg a day for about a month, and I stopped because of how much weight I'd lost.(stupid, i know, but it was very enticing for work related reasons) I had severe anxiety/panic attacks and felt like I was going crazy, but that's all considered pshycological. I also was so depressed coming off that shit, I didn't know what I was going to do. That stuff is better than cocaine if you ask me, and makes you one pissed off motherf%&ker when you're coming down!!
why the **** you're kicking ****ing old topic up ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muscle_4_Hire
I didn't take the time to read all the post but I developed a nice summary of the conversation. I am just giving my own personal experience; however, I have never had addiction issues or withdraw symptoms from Adderall. I need Adderall to focus and keep an attention span for more than a second; however, I hate taking it constantly. There are times in my life where I'm okay with being unorganized and constantly distracted. During my spring/fall semesters I take my adderall faithfully; however, during the summer I lay off of it completely. I have never experienced withdraw symptoms and I prefer not to take adderall. It's hard to explain to someone who does not have ADD, but there are honestly no withdraw symptoms.
Adderall is a diuretic. Because of this, this drug is NOT suitable for the bodybuilders lifestyle.
End of story.
I been taking ADDS for a year now . I started taking them for work to be able to work more hours and I tell you what I dont need to sleep eat its crazy , I was putting in 90 hours a week every week . I love the things I take 60 mgs before I work out . I get jacked from them the bad thing is I have to force my self to eat . I pay up to 8 dallors a pill for the 30 mg xrs ... people who say you cant get hooked on them havent taken them . I put on 40 pounds taken them and hitting the gear . If you want to hold a diet and not be hungry pump ADDS ..
During those 4 days you mind sahring what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by LAWNSAVER
It's not suitable for most people's lifestyle. Kids use it to help them study in school. You know what works pretty good with none of the side-effects? Getting a full night's sleep and eating good. Just about every kid who wants to go outside and play now gets diagnosed as ADD, so this drug is rampant.Quote:
Originally Posted by yungone501
Stereotypical uneducated response... ADD is a brain-based disorder,, has nothing to do with "Kids these days"Quote:
Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong
Its a convenience drug and one to pass blame.. 20 yrs ago rarely anyone took these types of drugs for "ADD"... if a kid was bad or acted out they were disciplined .. now if a kids bad in school... teachers can't discipline, parents don't discipline and refuse to accept blame for their little bastard acting out, so it must not be lack of discipline or parental guidance, it must be a serious medical condition. I think maybe 5% of people that take ADD/Ritalin actually need it... the others, its just the easy way out... "Oh no my little jimmy isn't a bad kid because he always acts out in school n gets in trouble.. It's because he has ADD, not because he has no parental guidance/discipline/respect"
It's how American society is these days, it's never anyones fault.. there's always someone/something to blame... back 20 yrs ago very very few people were taking these and how many people were really out of control or couldn't pay attention? alot less than today.. so what changed? Is it the air? perhaps the water? something must have triggered this epidemic right?
everything is a disorder/addiction these days... I like having sex with many different women.. so I guess that must be a sex addiction right? it's medically recognized as an abnormal psychological dependency... what a joke...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kansas City Boy
Let's here your educated response as to why so many people have developed this "disorder" in the past decade
Guys, the damn thread is 9 years old.
I agreed with you on your post above this one about society and such, but this comment is dumb. Why have people developed more mental 'situations' in this last decade than previous? its because we know more about the brain and how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasc
Adderall and ritalin just put the body in more of a mania mode and if that is directed correctly it can be applied to school work. And acting out in school is different than ADD. Those issues can stem from different issues rather than ADD and concentration issues. Mostly has to do with attention seeking, which has gotten worse with the restrictions we put on schools (cutting out PE, keep the teachers/administrators hands tied behind their back and yet expect them to do perfect jobs, now this so called school lunch reform *IMO its the wrong place to be putting effort, get more physical activity in there first rather than having a salad bar for 4th graders... *, and then the lack of respect towards these teachers from the parents).
Ive had ADD all my life, i chose to not go on meds cause i was smart enough to study the night before with my adrenaline going (aka adderall) and pass the tests the next day. Now i am in professional school and cannot have that much information to know just to study the night before. So i began on adderall, and it helps tremendously.
You like having sex with many women, you may have a sex addiction, but when you dont have sex does it interfere with your daily life? is that all you obsess about? if not then congrats you are just a womanizer, but no addict.
Not anymore. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonaparte