Questions about Anavar

[MMAfanboy]

OK, just to recap my stats.. 31 year old 5'9 197 pounds... good muscle shape.. been training since 16.. only experience with roids has been D bol at age 21. My natural test is low at 350. Work out and nutrition is dialed in already.

Been on the site a couple of days researching. So far Anavar seems to fit my goals the best and here is why:

-I don't want major gains but want to keep the gains I get. My goal is to lose some fat and put on muscle
-I compete in athletics that requires me to have good cardio so I want to keep my cardio and not break down my body.
-I am losing my hair and dont want to encourage it... Anavar seems to have some benefits in this department
-I already have low test and don't want to F with my system
-Seems that it works well for those who have low test...
-OK with modest gains and fat lost to get ready for summer
-Looks to be not too bad on liver
-I am a wimp when it comes to needles
-Don't want to put on water weight..
-My only experience with roids is with an oral one

OK, given what I read this is a good drug for me.. Is there anything I am missing other than it not being that effective and expensive?

I am considering doing a cycle on its own.. here are my questions:


-Should I still use an anti estrogen or anything else with it? (it seems to be a drug that does not have much issues with this)
-How long should I do a cycle and and what amount per day?
-How long off between cycles?
-How fast does this drug kick in?
-When I did D bol I started with a smaller dose, then worked up to bigger, then ramped down.. is that the same thing i should do with this?
-I was reading that it is recommended with D bol to take the entire dose in the AM when test levels are low, rather than throughout the day.. is this true or false for this drug..
-Is this a drug that you could do cycle after cycle with or is it only relatively safe for a few cycles?

Thank you in advance..

[dupa95]

Please do more reaserch

[papas]

split d bol thur out day

[Brazilian_Juice]

Ok, what are you trying to accomplish though? Are you trying to put on a little lean weight? Or are you trying to cut fat? A little of both?

[MMAfanboy]

Not planning to do D bol.. just saying it was all I had experience with... from what I read (please correct me if wrong) it would be good to do an 8 week cycle of about 40mg per day or 50mg.. still not sure if I should start with a low dose and build up and then scale back or not..


My goal is to put on 5 pounds of muscle and lose five pounds of fat and come in harder, so both.. put on a little strength and still be able to do intense cardio. Basically looking to build more strength per square inch of what I already have.. small but lasting quality gains..

[MMAfanboy]

I have read conflicting reports.. some say that if you go above 40mg you are wasting your money, others say it is only effective in high doses over 40mg and as high as 100mg or more

[longhorn814]

Not planning to do D bol.. just saying it was all I had experience with... from what I read (please correct me if wrong) it would be good to do an 8 week cycle of about 40mg per day or 50mg.. still not sure if I should start with a low dose and build up and then scale back or not..


My goal is to put on 5 pounds of muscle and lose five pounds of fat and come in harder, so both.. put on a little strength and still be able to do intense cardio. Basically looking to build more strength per square inch of what I already have.. small but lasting quality gains..

you dont need steorids to do that! Tweak your diet and exercise up and that should be easy..if you insist on using var..take nothing less than 50mg/day..however I noticed nothing until 80mg/day..100mg/day was really nice..nice, hard vascular look, strength went up too...my stats are similar to yours too..may want to consider a higher dose

[taiboxa]

gain the muscle first w/ a caloric excess diet.. but 5lbs of muscle is actually alot of work.. for advanced lifters it can take up to 8months to gain that much (not including water/glycogen/fat)
once u achieve ur goal .. diet down carefully

[Soviet-Strength]

i agree wit the person who said u dont need AS for this goal... really doesnt make much sense to me..

[MMAfanboy]

you dont need steorids to do that! Tweak your diet and exercise up and that should be easy..if you insist on using var..take nothing less than 50mg/day..however I noticed nothing until 80mg/day..100mg/day was really nice..nice, hard vascular look, strength went up too...my stats are similar to yours too..may want to consider a higher dose

Still researching about dose.. I dont know how much my lack of ever doing a cycle will play into this. As far as diet and exercise helping, I truly believe I have reached my genetic potential. I train six days a week.. both intense cardio, weight lifting and power lifting exercises.. eat clean and take a ton of supplements.. when I first started working out at age 16 I weighed 119... now a solid 197 but for the past year I have stayed at this. That is the only reason I am considering this. Over the years I keep tweaking my diet and work outs more and more. I work out intensely and have never cycled before. There is only so much you can do to achieve goals naturally. And I believe most people underestimate what they can do naturally, but I have been at it for 15 years now, maybe only taking a week off here and there. Do everything by the book. Put on 80 lean pounds on naturally, but can't seem to do more. And now as I get older it gets harder.

[ecto9]

You are asking alot of questions. jsut hit the search button and you'll find out all these things. Var is a pretty popular compound on this site.

[MMAfanboy]

I know.. been reading a lot.. Just read conflicting things such as dosage..

[MMAfanboy]

For those interested, I found this thread pretty informative. It is on another forum, so if this violates any rules, please let me know and I will delete it:

http://forum.dutchbodybuilding.com/f65/anavar-faq-9014/

[MMAfanboy]

The main question I still have. if I were to do 40mg as my max dose should I start off low and build up, then back off or go right for 40mg from the start?

[MMAfanboy]

I am thinking about doing a 10 week cycle.. starting at 20mg a day and building up to 40mg but only if I can find a quality version... maybe going down to 20mg near end of cycle.. Not sure about using clomid as I read that the clomid can have a worse effect than the actual Anavar. How long should I be off of it before a second cycle?

[Renesis]

OK, just to recap my stats.. 31 year old 5'9 197 pounds... good muscle shape.. been training since 16.. only experience with roids has been D bol at age 21. My natural test is low at 350. Work out and nutrition is dialed in already.

Been on the site a couple of days researching. So far Anavar seems to fit my goals the best and here is why:

-I don't want major gains but want to keep the gains I get. My goal is to lose some fat and put on muscle
-I compete in athletics that requires me to have good cardio so I want to keep my cardio and not break down my body.
-I am losing my hair and dont want to encourage it... Anavar seems to have some benefits in this department
-I already have low test and don't want to F with my system
-Seems that it works well for those who have low test...
-OK with modest gains and fat lost to get ready for summer
-Looks to be not too bad on liver
-I am a wimp when it comes to needles
-Don't want to put on water weight..
-My only experience with roids is with an oral one

OK, given what I read this is a good drug for me.. Is there anything I am missing other than it not being that effective and expensive?

I am considering doing a cycle on its own.. here are my questions:


-Should I still use an anti estrogen or anything else with it? (it seems to be a drug that does not have much issues with this) No
-How long should I do a cycle and and what amount per day? 8 weeks no less than 50mg
-How long off between cycles? Same length of time you were on
-How fast does this drug kick in? Most say they experience it within the first few weeks
-When I did D bol I started with a smaller dose, then worked up to bigger, then ramped down.. is that the same thing i should do with this? You don't need to but you can start at 50mg and work up to 100mg and just come off from 100mg, no need to ramp down
-I was reading that it is recommended with D bol to take the entire dose in the AM when test levels are low, rather than throughout the day.. is this true or false for this drug.. Not really true or false, most recommend to split the dose throughout the day
-Is this a drug that you could do cycle after cycle with or is it only relatively safe for a few cycles? You can do cycle after cycle, given with proper rest periods, but it is still an oral and will wreck havoc on your cholesterol values. You will also probably get bored of it if you just continuously cycle it.

Thank you in advance..

Read in BOLD

[longhorn814]

I am thinking about doing a 10 week cycle.. starting at 20mg a day and building up to 40mg but only if I can find a quality version... maybe going down to 20mg near end of cycle.. Not sure about using clomid as I read that the clomid can have a worse effect than the actual Anavar. How long should I be off of it before a second cycle?

chicks do 20mg of anavar..you need way more..80mg IMO

[taiboxa]

i would NEVER go below 40mg imo and in most cases 60mg seems to be the bare minimum.

[Renesis]

Also... I don't see why people are giving him a hard time... he wants 5lbs. Attainable with a good diet? Maybe, but how many of you take steroids for the fast gains? Don't lie you have answered in the why you take steroids thread :P The guy is 5'9 almost 200lbs I say thats a pretty solid foundation (if his bf% is under 15) to start AAS at. His goals are attainable and modest, hes not like the other newbs that are asking can I take dbol and gain 50lbs in 2 months?

[MMAfanboy]

Renesis.. thank you very much for all the information. It is very appreciated

[longhorn814]

Also... I don't see why people are giving him a hard time... he wants 5lbs. Attainable with a good diet? Maybe, but how many of you take steroids for the fast gains? Don't lie you have answered in the why you take steroids thread :P The guy is 5'9 almost 200lbs I say thats a pretty solid foundation (if his bf% is under 15) to start AAS at. His goals are attainable and modest, hes not like the other newbs that are asking can I take dbol and gain 50lbs in 2 months?

not trying to give him a hard time, but if he wants to use anavar to acheive his goal, he needs to run more than 20-40mg

[MMAfanboy]

This is fine by me.. just hearing conflicting things.. I read another site that said anything more than 40mg is dangerous with diminished returns.. hell Ill do 400mg if that is the appropriate dose.. just want the right info. I dont want to waste my money either way.. keep in mind I am a newb..lol

[taiboxa]

This is fine by me.. just hearing conflicting things.. I read another site that said anything more than 40mg is dangerous with diminished returns.. hell Ill do 400mg if that is the appropriate dose.. just want the right info. I dont want to waste my money either way.. keep in mind I am a newb..lol

40mg is not Dangours unless you have heart/liver/cholesterol issues.
var is by far the most mild aas out there cept maybe EQ? lol but eq is pure weakness.

i never noticed diminishing returns until i was well up in the 100+mg ED

[MMAfanboy]

OK.. so if I start at 50 how fast should I ramp up in the 8 week cycle? Should I go for 80 or 100?

[MMAfanboy]

is it safer and better to do a shorter cycle higher ie 8 weeks at 80 or 100 vs doing twelve weeks at 60?

[longhorn814]

This is fine by me.. just hearing conflicting things.. I read another site that said anything more than 40mg is dangerous with diminished returns.. hell Ill do 400mg if that is the appropriate dose.. just want the right info. I dont want to waste my money either way.. keep in mind I am a newb..lol

anavar is a very weak steroid with very mild side effects..for decent resutls for a male your size you need to run around 80mg/day or so..you wont have any estrogen issues b/c it doesnt aromatize and is supresses your HTPA on minimally..it is a 17aa steroid so it can and mostly likely will elevate your liver values and throw your cholesterol outta whack..but they should return to normal within a couple of weeks of stopping, thats why you only cycle it 6-8 weeks

[taiboxa]

either way is fine imo.. the longer the oral cycle the harder on the body.. because even a small amount of pretty much any oral is gonna dick w/ ur lipid profiles.

[MMAfanboy]

OK.. so shorter higher dose would be better in your opinion? Is there anything I can take to combat the lipid thing? I already take a ton of fish and flax everyday.. plus drink a lot of antioxidant drinks and eat whole grains..

[MMAfanboy]

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[taiboxa]

[MMAfanboy]

Should I delete that last post?

[MMAfanboy]

Thanks longhorn ..should I ramp up to 80 mg rather fast? here is what Im thinking:

First week - 50 mg
Second week - 60 mg
third to 8th week - 80mg

at least 8 weeks off..

with good training and diet, what should I expect with this?

[MMAfanboy]

Also... I don't see why people are giving him a hard time... he wants 5lbs. Attainable with a good diet? Maybe, but how many of you take steroids for the fast gains? Don't lie you have answered in the why you take steroids thread :P The guy is 5'9 almost 200lbs I say thats a pretty solid foundation (if his bf% is under 15) to start AAS at. His goals are attainable and modest, hes not like the other newbs that are asking can I take dbol and gain 50lbs in 2 months?

Exactly.. been training and eating right for 15 YEARS and only now considering pretty much the mildest drug out there.. I don't think that is exactly looking for quick gains or a short cut..LOL!

[MMAfanboy]

For those who know MMA to give you an idea of my body I am built like Matt Hughes.. maybe 5-10 more bulk.. also been reading a lot about Clenbuterol.. would you guys recommend stacking it with what I am proposing? Do you guys think it is dangerous? Seriously?

[longhorn814]

i would keep your dose constant all the way through..ramping up or down your dose causes fluctuations in your blood levels which can increase chances of sides...there is really nothing you can take to combat the bad cholesterol levels you will have..ive found that no amount of fish oil or other supps will keep your lipids in normal range while on a 17aa steroid...as for clen..its up to you..i dont like it..i dont react well and it really messes with my heart rate and bp...

[MMAfanboy]

yeah.. I think I will stay away from Clen...

[MMAfanboy]

BTW does anyone know if the powder where you make your own caps is as good as the pr emade or is it bunk?

[dupa95]

Good man doing your reasearch you read my cycle log

[MMAfanboy]

Santa told me if I am a good boy and do my research I will get better results..lol.. dupa.. what dose would you recommend and how many weeks since you have first hand experience?

[dupa95]

50 mg 6 week I found bumping to 75 mg a waste for me, every one is different.Oh and DIET IS everything with var.