Opinion on this stack>?

[impulse420]

Week Deca mg/week Dianabol mg/day Testosterone mg/week Nolvadex mg/day Clomid mg/day
1 200 30 250 - -
2 300 30 250 - -
3 300 35 250 20 -
4 400 35 500 20 -
5 400 40 500 20 -
6 300 40 250 20 -
7 300 - 250 20 -
8 200 - 250 20 -
9 - - - 20 50
10 - - - 50

Juice needed: 12 amps of deca 200 mg/amp
10 vials of Sustanon 250 mg/vial
60 tabs of Nolvadex
147 tabs of Dianabol
20 tabs of Clomid

This will be my second cycle

[Elefanten]

Why on earth are you going up and down at the doses like that?

[soccer#3]

needs work, alot of work

[legobricks]

Week Deca mg/week Dianabol mg/day Testosterone mg/week Nolvadex mg/day Clomid mg/day
1 200 30 250 - -
2 300 30 250 - -
3 300 35 250 20 -
4 400 35 500 20 -
5 400 40 500 20 -
6 300 40 250 20 -
7 300 - 250 20 -
8 200 - 250 20 -
9 - - - 20 50
10 - - - 50

Juice needed: 12 amps of deca 200 mg/amp
10 vials of Sustanon 250 mg/vial
60 tabs of Nolvadex
147 tabs of Dianabol
20 tabs of Clomid

This will be my second cycle

Pyramiding is an old method and creates more sides then wanted. Using that cycle would have your hormones all over the place in which you dont want. Plus its too short as you are using long estered AAS. Push it out to 12 weeks for the Test, and 11 weeks for the deca. Also, start the test off a t500mg a week and keep it there until the end, no need to ramp up then go back down. Deca run the same, 400mg a week from the start and to the end.

[Stefinoplex]

its not a science experiment, its your body! don't pyramid , its even easier to keep it stable for your body and less time in the chemistry lab diluting diff doses every week.lol. good luck

[longhorn814]

if you want to run that properly, you need to run it something like this:

1-12 500mg/wk of test
1-11 400 mg/wk of deca
1-4 30mg dbol/day

PCT starts 14 days after last shot of test e/ 18 days if you use sust.
14-18 100mg clomid/day AND 20 mg nolva/day

granted you can change things a bit, but I hope you see all the problems with your proposed cycle

[10nispro]

I know this might be old school...but what are your stats? I realize its your second cycle, but from what I see, things aren't on the up and up. The cycle you are proposing is absolutely crazy.

Would like to help, but not until I see some stats?

[lowep3]

^I agree with everything LH said, except I would run test 2 weeks longer than the deca. Basically deca for 10 weeks, test for 12. ALWAYS run more test in your cycle than deca.

[longhorn814]

^I agree with everything LH said, except I would run test 2 weeks longer than the deca. Basically deca for 10 weeks, test for 12. ALWAYS run more test in your cycle than deca.

no you do NOT have to do run more test than deca or whatever..that is a huge misconception

[Stefinoplex]

misconception. im curious cuz everyone states that you should, is it just bullocks??

[legobricks]

no you do NOT have to do run more test than deca or whatever..that is a huge misconception

SLightly above an HRT dose of test will suffice.

[legobricks]

misconception. im curious cuz everyone states that you should, is it just bullocks??

Yes we've all beaten the dead horse a 1000 times and slightly above an HRT dose of test will be suffice. I personally like test and the feeling when im on so thats why i go minimum of 500mg per week. Everyone has their own reason to go higher or lower.

[longhorn814]

all I ever run is 350mg/wk of test (50mg/day prop) and usually double that amount of tren or whatever else I use..never had a single problem..ive found if i go higher than 500mg/wk of test..all i get are more sides..never notice more gains

[lowep3]

no you do NOT have to do run more test than deca or whatever..that is a huge misconception

Yeah, you're right. You don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to do. But if you don't wanna get shut down hard, I would suggest taking more test than deca. I never said you have to double it. Just as you stated 400mg of deca and 500mg of test would suffice, that's why I agreed with you.

[longhorn814]

Yeah, you're right. You don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to do. But if you don't wanna get shut down hard, I would suggest taking more test than deca. I never said you have to double it. Just as you stated 400mg of deca and 500mg of test would suffice, that's why I agreed with you.

if your shut down, your shut down..taking more test isnt gonna keep you from being shut down..all you really need is HRT dose of test or slightly higher..plenty of people on here run more deca/tren/whatever a lot higher than test and they are fine

[Big]

Yeah, you're right. You don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to do. But if you don't wanna get shut down hard, I would suggest taking more test than deca. I never said you have to double it. Just as you stated 400mg of deca and 500mg of test would suffice, that's why I agreed with you.

I've had great results with 250mg/week test and 600mg/week deca. The deca will completely shut down your natural test production regardless of the dose of test, it's not like a larger dose of test will make you be shut down any less. All that is required is a trt dose of test.

[Big]

beat me to it longhorn

[taiboxa]

Yeah, you're right. You don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to do. But if you don't wanna get shut down hard, I would suggest taking more test than deca. I never said you have to double it. Just as you stated 400mg of deca and 500mg of test would suffice, that's why I agreed with you.

how does taking test higher than deca prevent you from suffering the sides, if anything taking a high dose of test which has a greater rate of aromtization seems idiotic to me since deca increases PgR's up to 20%.. more estrogen w/ increased progesterone recepters does not seem ideal to me.

SINCE deca or any nor group for that matter has no affect on the suppression of EXOGENOUS test... why do you need to take anymore than the amount you are suppressing.
hell for proper physiological functions test at 100mg/wk would be ideal.

its far easier to manipulate estrogenic sides through the controlled dosing of heavily aromatizing compounds such as test, plus test has no where near the anabolic/muscle biulding capabilites that deca has so it only seems logical to utilize deca as your primary msucle builder and test to retain proper physiological functions.

[lowep3]

how does taking test higher than deca prevent you from suffering the sides, if anything taking a high dose of test which has a greater rate of aromtization seems idiotic to me since deca increases PgR's up to 20%.. more estrogen w/ increased progesterone recepters does not seem ideal to me.

SINCE deca or any nor group for that matter has no affect on the suppression of EXOGENOUS test... why do you need to take anymore than the amount you are suppressing.
hell for proper physiological functions test at 100mg/wk would be ideal.

its far easier to manipulate estrogenic sides through the controlled dosing of heavily aromatizing compounds such as test, plus test has no where near the anabolic/muscle biulding capabilites that deca has so it only seems logical to utilize deca as your primary msucle builder and test to retain proper physiological functions.

I never stated that by taking more test would decrease sides. Personally, I still wanna rock my g/f when I'm on, so taking more test is ideal. To answer your other question, take letro and call it a day.

[longhorn814]

I never stated that by taking more test would decrease sides. Personally, I still wanna rock my g/f when I'm on, so taking more test is ideal. To answer your other question, take letro and call it a day.

no but you said you should take more test than deca if you dont want to be shut down hard!!! Never had any problem rocking any girl running test lower than deca/tren/or whatever I was taking..I take letro if I dont want any sex drive!!

[legobricks]

I never stated that by taking more test would decrease sides. Personally, I still wanna rock my g/f when I'm on, so taking more test is ideal. To answer your other question, take letro and call it a day.

In another thread you asked about which AI to use. Letro was told that it would hinder your gains as well as lowering your sex drive. Read this, Merc's article on how estrogen will effect your gains.



http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

[taiboxa]

I never stated that by taking more test would decrease sides. Personally, I still wanna rock my g/f when I'm on, so taking more test is ideal. To answer your other question, take letro and call it a day.

my god just stop talking, estrogen would be a primary couplrit in libido especially while on a 19nor compound..

and LETRO?

yeah that would be even more problimatic

[impulse420]

Ok so with the same amount of gear, 2400mg of deca 2000mgs of test 150 10mg pills of d-bol, 50 pills of nolva and 5 pills of clomid. What would you guys suggest it be reformated too?

[longhorn814]

Ok so with the same amount of gear, 2400mg of deca 2000mgs of test 150 10mg pills of d-bol, 50 pills of nolva and 5 pills of clomid. What would you guys suggest it be reformated too?

see post #6 in this thread..something like that..what are the strength of your nolva and clomid pills? im pretty sure you'll need more than 5 clomid pills

[impulse420]

i have 50 20mg nolva and 5 50mg clomid

[longhorn814]

i have 50 20mg nolva and 5 50mg clomid

5 50 mg clomid isnt enough..the nolva you could run 40mg for two weeks and 20 mg until you runout which about 3 extra weeks

[impulse420]

what about the deca test and dbol

[Big]

what about the deca test and dbol

see post #6 in this thread...

[10nispro]

Impulse420? what are your stats? age, wght, bf% hgt

[impulse420]

yeha but see i already have the gear, i ahve 2400mgs of deca and 2500mgs of test and 150 10mgs pills of dbol and 50 20mg pills of nolva nd 5 50mg pills of clomid

[impulse420]

im 21 6'1 185 7%bf

[10nispro]

just because you have all the gear doesn't mean you have to use it all at one time. plus the pct will be very important or you will just waste your money.

[impulse420]

alright, what are you suggesting i do>?

[longhorn814]

perhaps you should learn how to use gear correctly before buying it!!! At your stats, you have plenty of room to grow naturally..if youre not gaining now, its b/c youre not eating enough to grow..and if you cant do that now, you wont grow on steroids either..diet is the key here, not drugs!!! Whats your diet? How many cals do you eat a day? How many come from protein/fat/carbs? do you even know these?

[impulse420]

spilt the dbol and just take that for 6 weeks order soem more product and then take teh deca and test with more stuff later>?

[10nispro]

so i am guessing your are trying to bulk? With those stats, you still have plenty of natty test floating around. 6'1" 185" 7% is really lean. You need to hit the diet forum with your diet because it looks like you need to eat, eat, and eat some more. All that you want to take want do a bit good without something to feed it.

[impulse420]

i eat like a cow in amount, i used to weigth 145 i eat pretty healthy ive been working out for 3 years, ive taken 2 other cycles too

[10nispro]

D*** long you beat me to it. I thought I should ask the stat question for some reason.

[impulse420]

makes sense, im a hardgainer at heart i'll eat around 3000 cals and enough protein to put on a pound or two then my metabolism must burn it all it nuts.

[impulse420]

one cycle was test prop only, the other was test prop and masteron