Second cycle, some feedback please !

[TallMan]

First cycle was 60mg/day turinabol for 4 weeks...


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1-12 week: 500mg test e (first week 1000mg)
1-10 week: 300mg deca (first week 600mg)
Anthony Robert's pct protocol

[Kratos]

7 weeks of deca? I'm not a fan of that even with frontload. Why don't you get some NPP and prop if you want to go shorter? Nolva only PCT if funky following deca. 40mg not shown to be any better than 20mg in boosting test. Try aromasin 12.5-25mg, nolva 20mg for 4 weeks.

[TallMan]

I don't like the idea of using short esters for my first IM cycle.
What do you mean with "funky following deca" ?

Another question: What if I experience an upcoming gyno...
Is it save to use Cabergoline or Bromocriptine together with Nolvadex (not nowing if its from estrogen or progestron aromatizing) to be sure ?

[fdrx7man]

Tall, I think he is meaning deca and test E are long esters, and they wont be hitting your body hard till about week 4 maybe even 5, so 7 weeks total isnt really a long time on deca as it will just start to hit the body in the gym etc.. it be better to be on it 10 weeks at the levels your injecting..

[fdrx7man]

and as for deca lubing joints.. 2 weeks or so into it.. you should notice it before you notice weight gain, stronger etc..

[djcj2002]

Personally I would do 12 wks of test and 10 wks deca. just my opinion

[TallMan]

Aight, so I should do it longer.

How about the frontloading ?

[juicenchris2989]

yes you must go longer with the deca atleast 10 wks and 12 wks with the test. Forntloading can still be done I would do it imo dose you posted was fine. Pct sucks deca will shut you down harder than any other aas so make sure you look at Anthony Robert's pct protcol look at getting some hcg novla and an AI I personally like aromasin. Start pct 2 about 10 12 days after last shot.Good luck let us know how your cycle goes hope your diet is in check and your eating and training hard
Chris

[longhorn814]

I don't like the idea of using short esters for my first IM cycle.
What do you mean with "funky following deca" ?

Another question: What if I experience an upcoming gyno...
Is it save to use Cabergoline or Bromocriptine together with Nolvadex (not nowing if its from estrogen or progestron aromatizing) to be sure ?

so this is your first injectable cycle? (aka real cycle) I would hold off on the deca..its very supressive and nolva only for PCT isnt gonna cut it

[TallMan]

yes you must go longer with the deca atleast 10 wks and 12 wks with the test. Forntloading can still be done I would do it imo dose you posted was fine. Pct sucks deca will shut you down harder than any other aas so make sure you look at Anthony Robert's pct protcol look at getting some hcg novla and an AI I personally like aromasin. Start pct 2 about 10 12 days after last shot.Good luck let us know how your cycle goes hope your diet is in check and your eating and training hard
Chris

Hehe, dont worry about it I'm eating and training hard.

I was just looking at the Anthony Robert's pct and was wondering if it would be good for a cycle like mine, thanks for conforming that bro.
But I'm still not sure about what I should do when gyno will come up or something as I just read that Nolvadex could make things worse when you're on deca. Would taking Caber or Bromo be allright ? And what if the gyno is from de test (I could never tell) woul Caber/Bromo take care of that too ?

[magicstick2003]

if it's you first i'd go test only bro, did it myself had an amazing cycle personally i think it was the best one for overall gains/gains kept! THeory behind it is see how you react to one compound before throwing in another, like you said you wont' know if sides are estrogen related or progest. related if you dont have a baseline. With that said if u do decide to go your route i'd have caber on hand in case and perhaps an AI. Aggressive PCt i think should be used to get things back in working order to maximize gains kept.

[TallMan]

The deca is more just to make sure my shoulder won't be acting up again cause test only would lower collagen synthesizes, so I've read.

[xXDevilDogXx]

The deca shouldn't take more than 21 days. You should be feeling it by the second week.


I agree with fdrx7man, in that you should go longer because the deca has such a longer half life. Minimum 8 weeks, but I would suggest 10.

[GreekDiesel]

First cycle was 60mg/day turinabol for 4 weeks...

Now I'm planning to do this :

1-10 week: 500mg test e (first week 1000mg)
1-7 week: 300mg deca (first week 600mg)
13-16 week: 40mg nolvadex

I'm also wondering when will I feel the deca lube my joints ?

No need to front load for the first week bro. Also, like juicenchris2989 said, run the deca for 10 weeks and the test for 11-12. The ester in Deca is longer acting than that of test e so running test for at least one more week than the deca is a good idea. As far as your pct is concerned, some people like clomid some nolva or a combo of both. I find that running both will help your hormones recover in a more complete manner. Try something like this:
Day 1 - clomid 300mg, nolva 60mg
Day 2-11 - clomid 100mg, nolva 40mg
Day 12-21 - clomid 50mg, nolva 20mg

[TallMan]

Why not frontload ? I want the shit to work within a few weeks instead of a month...

[admirals56]

theres no need to use more then 20mgs of nolva because it doesnt increase the rate of your horemones coming back to normal it just wastes another week you could be on it..

[admirals56]

bro theres no need to frontload on your first cycle.. find out what your gains are like without frontloading then for your next cycle frontload and see if you like it.. some people think its a waste others love it

[juicenchris2989]

You can frontload it acts almost like a kickstart seeing that he doenst have dbol for the first 4 wks i think frontload would be a good idea. Does it have to be done no. does he need a kick start no. Should he use deca for a first cycle no only cuz he needs to know how he reacts to the test first doesnt mean he cant start with both its not recommended but theres plenty of ppl that use deca in their first cycle i repeat dont recommended it but if hes set on it theres nuttin we can do. Yes nolva can worsen gyno with the 19nor.Can use nolva but running nolva during pct . Gyno look into letro, caber will work but the strongest shit is letro.Also if your gonna use letro or anything to combat gyno during cycle careful with dose cuz it will yield gains. goodluck

[juicenchris2989]

sorry looking at the cycle again i didnt see the tbol for first 4 wks so you might wanna hold off on the frontloading but theres ppl that still do it but first cycle dont wanna go to crazy lol sorry again run tbol 6 to 8 wks

[GreekDiesel]

Letro is definitely the best for ridding the possibility of gyno during cycle. I find that 1.25 eod (half a tab) is more than sufficient and won't reduce gains that much. You'll probably notice a little less water retention but water is lost once the cylce is over. A diet high in calories will ultimately determine whether your gains will be more than just temporary. I'm currently in my 3rd week of d-bol/test/deca and I have gained 15 lbs (also using 1.25 eod of letro). Of course, this would not at all be possible without the 5000 calories a day I've been throwing down.

Nolva helps improve blood lipids so including it in pct is a good idea. When nolva is used to rid gyno, 40mg is taken at the first signs and then tapered down to 20mg. Why wouldn't it be a good idea to taper during pct as well??

[TallMan]

Will letro also be helpfull agains deca-gyno ?

[TallMan]

bump

[GreekDiesel]

Will letro also be helpfull agains deca-gyno ?

Letro inhibits all gyno whether it be progesterone or estrogen related. Progesterone will be puffiness of the nipples while estrogen related would be actual lumps underneath the nipple.