Liv52 hurting gains?!?!?

**meathead320** · 01-25-2008, 11:19 PM

Liv52 hurting gains?!?!?

Could liver protection supplements such as Liv52 recude the gains of a cycle?

If so would that be more for orals, or IMs?

Or is it zero effect on gains, and just good to keep the liver healthy while asking it to work harder?

**Coop77** · 01-25-2008, 11:23 PM

I don't see how it could possibly affect your gains.

**meathead320** · 01-25-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Coop77

I don't see how it could possibly affect your gains.

yeah that is exactly what I was thinking, then I saw in some thread another guy claiming it killed his gains, and I was like WTF?

Might as well ask though, it is not the 1000* a day question I hope.

**peachfuzz** · 01-26-2008, 01:34 AM

ive read some articles on milk thistle reducing gains but im too lazy to search for them right now. something along the lines of a healthier liver is better able to do its job and therefore more of the substance is filtered. too what degree? minuscule. better to have a healthy liver.

**meathead320** · 01-26-2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by peachfuzz

ive read some articles on milk thistle reducing gains but im too lazy to search for them right now. something along the lines of a healthier liver is better able to do its job and therefore more of the substance is filtered. too what degree? minuscule. better to have a healthy liver.

Exactly as I was thinking.

That, AND the liver also helps cut down on estradiol. I realize you need some, E2 to facilitate gains, but not so much your SHGB goes through the roof and renders your testosterone innert.

The liver also help filter cholesterol too, and a lot of orals have a nasty trend of sky rocketing Ldl and dropping Hdl like a bad habbit.

**im83931** · 01-26-2008, 12:12 PM

There are just as many threads here that say liver enhancers will increase absorption, allowing you to get more from your orals. If your that worried then use an injectable. They dont have the first pass issue.

**meathead320** · 01-26-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by im83931

There are just as many threads here that say liver enhancers will increase absorption, allowing you to get more from your orals. If your that worried then use an injectable. They dont have the first pass issue.

Nah, not worried about it, but I just figure it is a question worth asking.

Not something that can easily be found on a google search.

I am not an advocate of oral only cycles, and I shoot every monday and thursday with cyp.

**steropower** · 01-27-2008, 04:57 AM

Personally when i took Liv52 on a Dbol only cycle i had from zero to little gains in a 2 weeks period.

I had the same feeling again with an older Dbol Testo cycle and thought it was bad the Dbol.So i tried the cycle without Liv52 and presto!Gains through the roof in a matter of days!

**meathead320** · 01-27-2008, 07:59 PM

It may be that the Liv52 enhances the ability of the liver to filter out chemicals, even the 17-mythl stuff.

If a guy was to skip the Liv52 on the oral cycle, it would be a good idea to get back on it asap at the end of the cycle to help the liver recover.

Really as much as orals hurt the liver, someone would have to use a LOT of orals, for a LONG period of time to cause the kind of damage that we are most worried about.

I do think that the Liv52 helps the liver recover, but perhaps it is best left out of the "durring" part of a short oral cycle.

Would be really nice if someone like Merc would add some light to this one.

**naturalsux** · 01-27-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

Liv52 hurting gains?!?!?

Could liver protection supplements such as Liv52 recude the gains of a cycle?

If so would that be more for orals, or IMs?

Or is it zero effect on gains, and just good to keep the liver healthy while asking it to work harder?

how many liv52 where you taking aday?

**Ashop** · 01-27-2008, 08:04 PM

i highly doubt the liv 52 would hamper gains.

**meathead320** · 01-27-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by naturalsux

how many liv52 where you taking aday?

4 ED, 2 morning and 2 evening.

I am thinking now that it should just be run after the oral is through.

Even without it my liver values have never been dangerously high.

Over the normal range, like 150ish, however levels over 500 are often seen in alcoholics, and even they can recover down to the 0-25 range (normal) once they are sober.

It takes me about 2 months to get back down to the 0-25 range, without even using a liver supplement after an oral cycle.

I also use 160mg cyp a week, forever as ongoing TRT.

With the Liv52 my values hardly even change, so I figure i could go up to the 150-200 range, and run the Liv52 after that and be healed up in no time.

**naturalsux** · 01-27-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

4 ED, 2 morning and 2 evening.

I am thinking now that it should just be run after the oral is through.

Even without it my liver values have never been dangerously high.

Over the normal range, like 150ish, however levels over 500 are often seen in alcoholics, and even they can recover down to the 0-25 range (normal) once they are sober.

It takes me about 2 months to get back down to the 0-25 range, without even using a liver supplement after an oral cycle.

I also use 160mg cyp a week, forever as ongoing TRT.

With the Liv52 my values hardly even change, so I figure i could go up to the 150-200 range, and run the Liv52 after that and be healed up in no time.

why did you run 4? im only asking cause i got some coming and didn't know how many to take.

thanks