AAS and Neuromuscular recovery?Help or not?

[IntenseAthlete]

We all know AAS helps muscle recovery and grow larger muscles, boost RBC's,IGF yada,yada but do they have just as strong effect on neurological or neuromuscular perfomance/recovery?When an athlete acheives peak performance it can take 5-6 weeks to fully recover and some of my power workouts can require the same amount of rest.So can AAS have just as powerful effect by shortening this time?AKA superhuman?

[IntenseAthlete]

[Panzerfaust80]

I would think it would help muscle recovery OVERALL, whether to a lesser or greater extent on the neuromuscular level. As to what degree I dont think anyone knows this answer..

In WW2 its a popular belief that Hitler himself was administered test by his personal physician in an effort to improve his overall health.. not only that but it was also given to German soldiers on the front lines in an effort to make them fight with greater agression, intensity, and make them "superhuman" in a sense, as it would lessen the effects of fatigue, boost immune system, etc, all very important issues when waging war.

[IntenseAthlete]

[IntenseAthlete]

nobody has a clue.......Anyone know where I could find info on this?

[magic32]

Sorry I'm unfamiliar with this.

[IntenseAthlete]

I don't know what kind of workouts you could be participating in that require 5-6wks of recovery. Maybe you should provide some literature regarding your statement on peak performance recovery...it has always been my understanding that such elite athletes require less, not more time to recover. Plus many of them, especially on the professional level, administer the steroid Oxandrin b.k.a. Anavar (a favorite of baseball players) to dramatically shorten healing times along with a variety of high level therapies in the form of precision stretches, electronic muscle stimulation, water training, deep tissue massages (which increase bloodflow to the area and thus oxygenation), etc.

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If you compare baseball players, to olympic athletes is apples to oranges.Same family different animals.Although you may compete everday as an athlete.Peak performances can only be achieved a few times a year through progressive overload/overreaching and a proper taper.(LANCE ARMSTRONG ony races a few time a year but because he won the hardest race he is regarded as the best road cyclist)So to achieve peak performance and gain power one must under go repeated high stress workouts hence the neurological damage(its not really injury but a slowing down of the process, slower fireing and just not having that edge)the muscle itself can be recovered in 48 hours but neuromuscular can be as long as 5-6 weeks........I would equate it to Mark Mguire swinging barbell to hit a shotput,how many times could he do this without needing major recovery.Which brings me back to my original question.Do you or anyone else have any knowledge of people shortening this period with AAS.The basball player example does not apply to peak performances athletes.They are in good shape all season with stamina more in mind where as the olympic athlete my have 2-3 goals per year.The benefit of AAS could help produce a few more performances per year with a high stress off season that teaches the body to recover faster.At least that is the theory Im betting on.

I know I didnt mention what kind of athlete Im speaking of.I will try be more clear.Thanks for your post,Magic always has good insite.

JS

[magic32]

[lex57]

the bottom line is nerve cells dont divide. so to try to compare them to skeletal muscle cells and the way they repair themselves makes no sense really. so the simple answer to your question is ....... "not"........

[IntenseAthlete]

I haven’t come across any literature that even resembles what you’re saying, nor any aas studies that reflect it. So, “no” sorry.

Regarding the Lance Armstrong example, I don’t know what comparative fruits you want to use here but even though he only competed a few times a year, it certainly doesn’t mean he wasn’t consistently training at very high output levels virtually year around to prep for them. We’d have interview him, or watch recorded ones where he discussed this to know for sure.

As for the Mark McGwire swinging a barbell a to hit a shotput example, again I’m unfamiliar with his training regimen, but the logic escapes me here as well.

Why would any athlete train so intensely as to be unable to function properly for the subsequent 5-6 weeks???
Again maybe you could provide some materials (books, articles, web links, etc.) that discuss this topic, as I’d be VERY interested in reading them.

Magic,

I think you are reading to far into my writing or Im not projecting what Im thinking.I didnt say that we damaging ourselves beyond functioning properly but have degraded our abiltites.Like running your best 100m vs average training run times.The reason we would train so hard is when we recover completely you are usally at a higher level than before.So to be faster/more powerful.

I only refenced lance because he peaks for one event and the rest of year as you stated is about training.Im just trying to figure out how much more an athlete on AAS can add to there training without overtraining,and it can happen Ive done it before.The differnence is now Im more of a sprint type athlete, almost a powerlifter.Where as before I was more like lance and the workloads involved are so high it didnt matter what you take if your not smart.That is also why Im asking more questions here because the type of athlete Im now is more like a BB/powerlifter and these things are not openly discussed among elite athletes.The same goes for neuromuscular recover after athletic events the data for my sport is shared between athletes and coaches and not rivals or other countries.I can pm you some places to read more but it cant be talked about here for my indentity purposes

[IntenseAthlete]

the bottom line is nerve cells dont divide. so to try to compare them to skeletal muscle cells and the way they repair themselves makes no sense really. so the simple answer to your question is ....... "not"........

no one compared muscle cells to nerves....the question was do AAS help them recover.

[MuscleScience]

the bottom line is nerve cells dont divide. so to try to compare them to skeletal muscle cells and the way they repair themselves makes no sense really. so the simple answer to your question is ....... "not"........

Muscle Cells don't divide either.

[lex57]

We all know AAS helps muscle recovery and grow larger muscles, boost RBC's,IGF yada,yada but do they have just as strong effect on neurological or neuromuscular perfomance/recovery?When an athlete acheives peak performance it can take 5-6 weeks to fully recover and some of my power workouts can require the same amount of rest.So can AAS have just as powerful effect by shortening this time?AKA superhuman?

really? then what are you comparing here?

[IntenseAthlete]

really? then what are you comparing here?

was not a comparison but an example of what we know aas does and asking if it could help in other ways.Hence the question.