To frontload or go with dbol?

[Only_Patience]

Currently about to start with either Test C 250mg/20ml, Deca 200mg/20ml, and Dbol 25mg/20ml(oral).. or run without Dbol and frontload the rest? Been researching Dbol and heard mixed reviews i.e. raising bp badly, ton of water weight, messes with liver(have things to protect liver so not to worried). Could anyone give insight on the two? Either to frontload or run the dbol? Looking for mass and strength.. 190lbs 10.2% bf.. good diet

[Only_Patience]

O yeah and thatll be run like:
750mg/ml Test C per week/12week
200mg/ml Deca per week/10 week
50mg per day of dbol per d/1-4week

[admirals56]

u dont have that much test for that cycle unless u plan on buying more?

[Only_Patience]

I have 40ml

[admirals56]

ok bump the deca to 400mgs wk since u have it and its the usual dose. wat are your stats and diet like?

[Only_Patience]

Read above.. good diet aka 350g protein p/d.. 300-350g carbs.. try to keep fat low.. 4-5000 cals p/d

[10nispro]

Are you running the deca low just to help lubricate? Also, why so much test? What cycle is this for you? And what pct do you have planned?

[Only_Patience]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=328806

[10nispro]

Ok!! Why are you running the deca so low?

[Only_Patience]

well i mostly use deca for weight to be honest.. lookin for the test to do most of the work.. Very worried about the frontload bc thatll be 1900mg the first week(1500test/400deca).. Only ever done around 1000 a week which was 600test/400deca

[BuffBuffalo]

IMO it seems like you're running too much test and not enough deca .

[admirals56]

ya deca is 1 of the most powerful muscle builders there are

[Only_Patience]

so suggestions?

[rampage12]

and i would kick clomid in pct and add AI like aromasin , and im doing similar cycle now of wk 1-350mg dbol ,wk1-12 deca 400mg,wk1-14test e 500mg and i also frontloaded first week at double doses great results so far

[rampage12]

this my pct i think its a good one...
hcg last week of cycle up too pct at 500iu eod..
pct start 18 days after last inject nolva 20mg for 6 weeks, aromasin 20mg for 4 weeks

[mx3]

personally I frontload and run dbol .

[rampage12]

thats what i did and love the results so far

[BuffBuffalo]

personally I frontload and run dbol.

How have your results been from doing both?

[mx3]

they have been good. I have a love hate relationship with dbol . it kills my appetite but it works so well I include it in every bulking cycle I have done. I am a fan of front loading and I notice increased weight gain sooner when I front load with dbol, why not have two compounds working for you at once instead of switching off. Im running dbol and tren ace right now and it is by far the most effective combo ive done.

[KJSolid]

Read above.. good diet aka 350g protein p/d.. 300-350g carbs.. try to keep fat low.. 4-5000 cals p/d

With these numbers I find it hard to believe that you are consuming 4-5000 cals per day. According to my math:

350g protein * 4 = 1400
350g carbs * 4 = 1400
equals 2800 cals before fat
even with 133 grams of fat you are at the low end of these numbers and that is using the high ends of what you say for protein and carbs. Just thought Id bring this to your attention. Good Luck with the cycle.

[jdm95lude]

i have personally front loaded Test C and I didn't see any noticeable difference. Waste of gear IMO

[Only_Patience]

With these numbers I find it hard to believe that you are consuming 4-5000 cals per day. According to my math:

350g protein * 4 = 1400
350g carbs * 4 = 1400
equals 2800 cals before fat
even with 133 grams of fat you are at the low end of these numbers and that is using the high ends of what you say for protein and carbs. Just thought Id bring this to your attention. Good Luck with the cycle.

These number flux. and are not exact.. Some days are different and have my cals/pro/carb/fat written down pm me if you'd like exact answers not that it really matters.. But thanks for the heads up but yes it is 4-5000 cals a day

[jaysunderstudy]

You can front load and run an oral, I did that last cycle and I used those 3 exact drugs. I front loaded the deca tho 800mg/week1 then 400mg after. Dbol will raise ur bp but it depends on the person, I never got much water retention off of it. I would frontload the test myself since you wanna run that longer than the deca.

[Only_Patience]

How much test did you frontload? 1500mg in one week is alot.. actually forget that its a ton.. with the deca thatll be 2200mg plus the 50mg dbol everyday no?

[rampage12]

i dont know y you are taking 750mg of test anyways

[legobricks]

Lower the test and up the deca . 19nor's are very potent muscle builders compared to test. Id opt to do 500mg test and 400-600mg deca per week. I personally wouldnt front load, id just stick with the dbol but that is me. This will actually be my next cycle.

[Only_Patience]

Gonna run with origional plan..
1-4 50mg/ed dbol 25mg/ml
1-10 400mg/ew deca 200mg/ml
1-12 250mg/e3d test c 250mg/ml

sound good? still think will accomplish goals(strength+size)

[rampage12]

just take deca and test at same time in same syringe great cycle what im doing but i do my deca and test togeather twice weekly

[Only_Patience]

Its usually one shot deca /test then 3 days later a test shot only

[rampage12]

u said 400mg deca ew theres no way u can get 400mg deca in one shot along with test

[Only_Patience]

3cc.. 2cc deca 1cc test.. you cant aspirate alot but the job gets done

[rampage12]

dude what the phuck do 200mg twice weekly 3 ccs is alot at one time

[Primalinstinct]

You will get all kinds of opinions on this.

I for one think you are asking for more sides than gains when frontloading.

I am a dbol fan for a cycle 'kick off'

[Only_Patience]

2 shots.. twice a week both with a test250/deca200 blend.. every three days?

[rampage12]

there u go just twice weekly every 3.5 days

[Primalinstinct]

Only 100mg more test than deca ?

Not a big enough gap for me and Mr. Happy.

[Only_Patience]

what makes Mr. Happy happy again? 1000mg test and 600mg deca

[Primalinstinct]

I would be at least 200mg of separation.

Deca is powerful stuff, IMO and others.

Since I do not know you, your history and stats, I would not even begin to tell you a doseage amount for you.

Good luck, bro. I hope this gets you closer to a cycle decision.

[Discipline_1]

i just got done running 550mg/wk of test mix(andropen ), 500mg/wk decabol, and ran 40mg dbol everyday 1-4 and the little guy did fine, plus i gained a lot of size, its a great cycle, you will be happy with the results

[Only_Patience]

sont you try to steal my thread!! haha howd you go about takin the dbol