DNP Does and CAN KILL.

[Rotary]

Taken from another board.

I might as well have chosen to keep this private since it's not anyone's business, but I rather decided to post it to make some of u guys THINK TWICE before taking the same step my close friend Cassandra took... her last mistake

I'll make it short cause there's really nothing to add about it What matters is that you, especially newbies looking for a quick fix (...), get my point...

Early this morning I got a phone call from my childhood friend's mom, to announce me her daughter died in the hospital yesterday evening after having been taken to the emergency room a few hours sooner, for what seemed to be, according to her own terms, "a severe fever". She also said Cassandra looked awfully exhausted the last time she had seen her, 3 days prior this sad event.

As soon as she was hospitalized she asked for her mom to come, cause she probably knew it would be the last time she would see her. She barely spoke... even pronouncing a few words was too tiring.

She however was still able to tell the docs she had been on 1000mgs 2.4-dinitrophenol for the past 5 days... her mom told me they had never heard of that drug and that they had to call the anti-poisoning centre

Time for them to diagnose a fatal kidney failure due to EXTREME dehydratation... she died in her sweat

She wasn't involved in any kind of professional sport (was your typical "fitness addict" though... it's in a gym she probably heard of DNP ), but was working in a field where physical appearance matters a lot... she got caught in the vicious game of "the better you look the more business you make"...

Now sure DNP at 1000mg for a 103lbs already very lean lady was damn stupid, but her example goes to illustrate this mentality WE ALL TEND TO HAVE IN BB... that if a small dose works (she told the docs she had already used the stuff in the past), a larger is necessarily better. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT... at least with DNP


So... PLEASE GUYS, when you post things like "if done safely DNP is a wonder drug"... refrain and delete what you just wrote.

CAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE MISREADING YOU AND SAYING TO HIMSELF THAT HE CAN USE IT WITH NO HARM. WHICH IS JUST NOT TRUE.

YES DNP CAN KILL YOU... this case is a blatant proof that sometimes those horror stories you read on the internet are sadly for real

RIP¨my dearest Cassandra. You'll stay in my heart forever.

[Noobie4LIFE]

That's why I stay away from anything that effects my cardiovascular system in funky ways.

I've had bad past experiences with stimulators or so on.

[Panzerfaust80]

yeah everyone takes clen and that shit scares me... im never taking that either!!

is DNP in pill form or other??

[longhorn814]

That's why I stay away from anything that effects my cardiovascular system in funky ways.

I've had bad past experiences with stimulators or so on.

DNP doesnt mess with your cardiovascular system.

Too bad for that girl..yes DNP is not something to be taken lightly, but then again neither are a lot of the compounds we take. Clen can be very damaging to your cardiovascular system as well. Too much clen can easily induce a heart attack. Too many people get caught up the mentality that more is better, which its usually not. Hell too much water can kill you too. If youre going to put these chemical in our bodies, mostly for the sake of vanity, at least be smart enough to research them and learn what youre putting in your body

[Noobie4LIFE]

DNP doesnt mess with your cardiovascular system.

ACTUALLY one of the functions of the cardiovascular system is to,

Helps regulate body temperature

So, I stick with my first post on here.

[shifty_git]

1000mg for an 103lb woman for 5 days.....

and she didnt expect off the scale side effects?

its a poison that should be kept out of the hands of stupid noobs!

ruins the rep of it for people who actually know what there doing and are that advanced there educated on it and prepared to take the chance!

[longhorn814]

ACTUALLY one of the functions of the cardiovascular system is to,

Helps regulate body temperature

So, I stick with my first post on here.

yeah I know that, but not in the way that clen messes with your cardiovascular system

[Noobie4LIFE]

yeah I know that, but not in the way that clen messes with your cardiovascular system

Clen & DNP effect the same and different parts of it.

If you knew that then why did you say it didn't effect it then? lol

[shifty_git]

Clen & DNP effect the same and different parts of it.

If you knew that then why did you say it didn't effect it then? lol

but dnp is off the scale compared to clen!

i know women who casually use clen and eph... yet dont know that many hard as c*nts guys that are prepared to mess with dnp...

was stupid a 103lb woman taking dnp to loose some fat thighs imo!
especially at 1000mg! and guessing she didnt even ramp up to it if she had been on that dose for 5 days and thats all she said!

[longhorn814]

Clen & DNP effect the same and different parts of it.

If you knew that then why did you say it didn't effect it then? lol

b/c I was watching prison break!!

I had really bad sides from clen..wont touch that again..if I ever do DNP again, I'll stick with a low dose cycle for 3 weeks or so (200mg), decent results with minimal sides..felt like ass on higher doses and the results werent much different. Im a big believer in more isnt better anymore. Even with AAS I like the results I get from running much lower doses than I used to

[shifty_git]

That statement is the equivalent of some guy jabbing 20ml of tren in his eye, drinking some paint stripper, and then going to hospital and him dying... and then some documentary using him as an example that steroids are bad!

[Noobie4LIFE]

b/c I was watching prison break!!

I had really bad sides from clen ..wont touch that again..if I ever do DNP again, I'll stick with a low dose cycle for 3 weeks or so (200mg), decent results with minimal sides..felt like ass on higher doses and the results werent much different. Im a big believer in more isnt better anymore. Even with AAS I like the results I get from running much lower doses than I used to

That's smart!!^^

LOL, I wouldn't touch clen if someone paid me 50,000 dollars. I'm serious.

Heart problems run in my family and I have had BAD interactions in the past.
Hell when I was about 17yrs old I took Ephedrine and felt like it was killing me. The human bodies weiiiirrrrrddddddd and complicated. Don't wanna mess up serious nuts and bolts that keep you alive.

[shifty_git]

b/c I was watching prison break!!

I had really bad sides from clen..wont touch that again..if I ever do DNP again, I'll stick with a low dose cycle for 3 weeks or so (200mg), decent results with minimal sides..felt like ass on higher doses and the results werent much different. Im a big believer in more isnt better anymore. Even with AAS I like the results I get from running much lower doses than I used to

DNP at a lower dose just to get things in order can be a very handy tool! totally agree morse isnt better in most cases! when sides start outwei***ng pure benefits you know you've gone 2 far!

[longhorn814]

More is only better when youre bulking..ie more food!!!

Everybody is different and people react differntly to different compounds. I know people that can take 200mcg of clen and feel perfectly fine, whereas I was shaking like a whore in church on 60mcg!!! Regardless, nobody, especially a 100lb woman should take 1g of DNP in a day!!

[shifty_git]

More is only better when youre bulking..ie more food!!!

Everybody is different and people react differntly to different compounds. I know people that can take 200mcg of clen and feel perfectly fine, whereas I was shaking like a whore in church on 60mcg!!! Regardless, nobody, especially a 100lb woman should take 1g of DNP in a day!!

Word.

(sorry, me saying that in an english accent just sounds so stupid...)

How much yoiu loose on 200mg of dnp long?

[soulstealer]

The problem is DNP IS A POISONits not the first dose that kills you its the 4th or 5th which compounds ontop of the first dose your body cant regulate it your systematically poisoning yourselftakes something like 96 hours for the first dose to run its course...

[longhorn814]

Word.

(sorry, me saying that in an english accent just sounds so stupid...)

How much yoiu loose on 200mg of dnp long?

did 200 for 21 days lost about 6-8 lbs or so..definitely noticed the difference in the mirror..diet played a part too..did a 14 day cycle where I got up to 600 for a couple days, felt like crap and didnt seem to lose any more weight..on 200mg I could have decent workout..on 600 I felt like crap and was done after 30 minutes in the gym

[Jeff1]

I would never touch that crap nuff said.

[Gears]

Taking a something like DNP while the half-life is still active and compounding it is completely reckless when you have no idea how your body will react.

[shifty_git]

did 200 for 21 days lost about 6-8 lbs or so..definitely noticed the difference in the mirror..diet played a part too..did a 14 day cycle where I got up to 600 for a couple days, felt like crap and didnt seem to lose any more weight..on 200mg I could have decent workout..on 600 I felt like crap and was done after 30 minutes in the gym

exactly the same as when i done it at 200mg! 21 days, was lucky enough to get 100mg caps so did ramp for a week.. lost 8lb but off the right places... followed the strict diet and procedure and felt fine..

would only ever use once in about 5 years though!

[Gears]

I thought calorie intake didn`t matter on DNP . I rember magics saying something about that.

[longhorn814]

I thought calorie intake didn`t matter on DNP. I rember magics saying something about that.

in theory it doesnt, but i found better results with a better diet and a lower dose

[taiboxa]

the problem is ignorance in conjunction w/ stupidity
im sorry but i look at it as weeding out the weak links... and cleaning out the gene pool

[shifty_git]

in theory it doesnt, but i found better results with a better diet and a lower dose

i agree - the lower dose worked great for me. but everyone has to make there own decision...

i know its a silly thing to do, but know people will do it so ganna post this info..
id advise not to bother, but know people will (if the first post of this thread is anything to go by) so would prefer people had info thats out there available to them.

but this is the guide i followed (credit to another forum)

How NOT to **** up DNP Part 1:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this responsibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you want to bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? Etc.
only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, Chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

http://www.cyberiron.com/drugs/dinitrophenol.html reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don’t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you’re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

http://www.zymed.com/pdf/04-xxxx/04-8300.pdf A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know—it’s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as…2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out—DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure…"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it’s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer…fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.


"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it’s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity…"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP’s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates—or disrupts—cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol’ DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect…"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation © 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.



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[longhorn814]

the problem is ignorance in conjunction w/ stupidity
im sorry but i look at it as weeding out the weak links... and cleaning out the gene pool

leave it to Tai to tell it like it is!!

[football2007]

I dont feel like taking a poison to lose 5lbs...no thanks.

Ive heard it doesnt even work that well

[DRLifter]

Why is everybody mentioning Clen in a DNP article? Are those 2 even in the same field in terms of danger, I havent heard anybody dying or having heart problems using clen (the heart problems reports are from studies in animal getting doses a human would never do), yet I have heard of 2 people dying of DNP.

[taiboxa]

I dont feel like taking a poison to lose 5lbs...no thanks.

Ive heard it doesnt even work that well

i dropped 40lbs in 3 weeks. so ... doesnt work well is definetly an understatement.

[taiboxa]

Why is everybody mentioning Clen in a DNP article? Are those 2 even in the same field in terms of danger, I havent heard anybody dying or having heart problems using clen (the heart problems reports are from studies in animal getting doses a human would never do), yet I have heard of 2 people dying of DNP.

i have actually heard of far more health problems from clen than i have from DNP .

both cause heat and dehydration but clen really messes w/ ones heart far more than dnp ever could, especially since T3 can easily be effed up since its dosing is so small (mcg) and alot of companys do half ass jobs of composing it into proper dosing ratios...

[shifty_git]

i dropped 40lbs in 3 weeks. so ... doesnt work well is definetly an understatement.

wow! what dose was that at tai? (and how many times had you used it in the past to put in into perspective)

did that take you down from a 'dd' to a 'c' cup?

[taiboxa]

lol im not telling my dose.. but it was ALOT and definetly NOT RECCOMMENDED in any way.

and i felt SO SHITTY

[shifty_git]

lol im not telling my dose.. but it was ALOT and definetly NOT RECCOMMENDED in any way.

and i felt SO SHITTY

i bet you felt like the grim reapers butt hole if it was simular to your tren doses! lol

out of that 40lbs, what % was bf?

[Schmidty]

This has made me want 2 try DNP .

[Castradomus]

i dropped 40lbs in 3 weeks.

holy mother of mercy! did you maintain those losses? and how did your strength bounce back post cycle?

[football2007]

lol tai look wut u started.

Now everyone is gonna try to hop on 800mgs

[Schmidty]

lol tai look wut u started.

Now everyone is gonna try to hop on 800mgs

known how tai juices its proly closer 2 8000mgs. u know what tai, thats what im gona do. Because if 8000mgs worked4u then ill go with 16000mgs.

This is what i would look like right b4i would die from 16000mgs

[Castradomus]

lol tai look wut u started.

Now everyone is gonna try to hop on 800mgs

lol, no thanks. but like i stated earlier, did the weight stay off and did your strength bounce back to previous levels?

[Noobie4LIFE]

the problem is ignorance in conjunction w/ stupidity
im sorry but i look at it as weeding out the weak links... and cleaning out the gene pool

LOL I thought I was a cold bastard. Tai you surprise me.

Thought you were a big cuddle bug now your just being a meanie.

+ 40lbs in less than a month? Jeez boy take a gallon of Tren before you get any fking smaller son...

[ChuckLee]

i dropped 40lbs in 3 weeks. so ... doesnt work well is definetly an understatement.

Were those 40 lbs of fat only? Sounds impossible

[peteroy01]

sounds like dehydration had a large roll in that weight loss.