Exercise program while on steroids.

[QuadPower]

Guys, I'm new here, I've introduced myself in the "new male members" section, in case you need more details.

Currently I'm 28 yrs, 6'0", 205 lbs, working out for 5 years. I will start on my first cycle probably 6 months from now, in the meantime I'm trying to get my questions answered. (and yes, I do read the stickies).

I'm trying to understand, how do you guys vary your training regimen while on gear? Do you train two times a day, morning and night? How much cardio? And when do you start training more intensely? Right since the first day of the injection, or later after 2-3 weeks when the test enanthate really kicks in? How about when you come off of gear and into PCT? Does the low natural test level hit you hard? How do you vary your training so as to keep maximum gains? I know that nutrition is key, but I'm especially wondering on the training aspect.

If there is a sticky on this just point me to it and I will be happy to read, I just couldn't find any. Thanks!

[QuadPower]

Maybe I asked a really stupid question, but... bump!

[Panzerfaust80]

no good questions, juust a BUNCH burried in there!

[Panzerfaust80]

I think intense training should already be occuirng prior to beginning the cycle to achieve maximum results, cuz ur body will already be used to training hard. depends on what ur goals are but id say just lift heavy as possible, 3 sets each exercise..once per day, cardio 2 or 3 times per week max. (kinda depends on BF%)

[QuadPower]

Thanks for the reply. I do train intensely right now, but being natural so far, can't go more often than 2 days on and 1 day off. From what I read, the roids will make you "superman" in the recovery department, and to get the best results many advocate a split morning-night session. Just wondering on the exact details and timelines though. I do appreciate your input!

[im83931]

What are your goals, cut or bulk?
Cardio frequency will depend on your goals. I train once a day, and hit each body part once a week.
For bulking
My gym routine is 2 on / 1 off / 2 on.
Cardio to keep the fat down is minimal: 2 days or 3 max. For about 30 minutes.

For cutting
Same gym days
Cardio 5 -6 x per week. For 45 minutes

[QuadPower]

What are your goals, cut or bulk?
Cardio frequency will depend on your goals. I train once a day, and hit each body part once a week.
For bulking
My gym routine is 2 on / 1 off / 2 on.
Cardio to keep the fat down is minimal: 2 days or 3 max. For about 30 minutes.

For cutting
Same gym days
Cardio 5 -6 x per week. For 45 minutes

I'm cutting right now and should certainly be ready for a clean bulk when I start the gear. Now the program you mention above, is that on or off gear? Currently I'm the same as you, hitting each body part once a week.

I really have no life though, so I would like to hit the gym twice per day while on gear Like I said, just wondering how to arrange a schedule around that, seeing as I've never done this before.

Thanks!

[im83931]

That is on or off gear. My actual schedule doesnt change much because of job/family commitments.
I do split the cardio and weights. so on the days you do both you could hit it twice. I would still only hit the weights once per day. On gear my intnesity goes thru the roof though so I have no need to train weights twice per day. imo you could get overtrained even on gear.

[KJSolid]

Yeah if you train twice a day you are going to overtrain yourself. Once a day is plenty and make sure you lift intensely and then get sufficient rest.

[Panzerfaust80]

I work out 5x per week just cuz i enjoy the feeling being in the gym while saucin.. however only 1 bodypart per day. some people say ur endocrine system needs a day to "repair" itself so its bad to work out consecutively... but then again only one body part is being worked, therefore placing less of a strain on ones system.. who knows, whatever works for u ya know?

[mx3]

I train the same on or off gear. 9-10 sets for small muscles (ie:tris,bis,delts) 12 sets for large muscles(back, legs, pecs) every set is trained at full intensity to failure (8rep range) I start heavy as possible and lower the weight to achieve same number of reps on each set. I train two muscles ed (ie: pecs,bis) my schedule is 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off repeat. cardio is minimal 9months out of the year.

[Panzerfaust80]

I wouldnt lower the weight. Keep the same weight just do fewer reps. = Best for growth IMHO.

[mx3]

I wouldnt lower the weight. Keep the same weight just do fewer reps. = Best for growth IMHO.

If you dont lower the weight and your starting at 8 reps by your third set you would be below 6 reps, if not your not training at full intensity. I never go below 6 reps.

[Panzerfaust80]

If you dont lower the weight and your starting at 8 reps by your third set you would be below 6 reps, if not your not training at full intensity. I never go below 6 reps.

... and thats fine, if your goal is power and mass. Constantly acclimating the muscle to a heavier weight is what will allow gains week in and week out. If anything INCREASE the weight as your sets advance... Dunno just my opinion.. even if i only do 4-5 on last set I feel thats super effective just so long as 5th rep is failure..

[mx3]

there are many methods that work and everybody is different but My training routine does work anthony roberts promotes it thats where I got it from. I used to start low and increase the weight. by starting heavy as possible and lowering the weight I still train every set to failure while achieving 8 reps. even though the weight is being lowered the intensity is the same and every wk you start at a heavier weight. im not saying your method doesn't work cause it pry does all im saying is maximum growth can be achieved by lowering the weight as long as every set is to failure. You cant push the weight to failure and then use the same weight and expect to get the same number of reps on the next set, your body wont allow it.

[Panzerfaust80]

Dont agree but its all good. whatever works for u.

Its not that I dont "Agree" with u I just dont feel like that is the best method for putting mass on. To me if you do 8 reps each time, decreasing the weight its a total waste. The muscle isnt getting accostomed to HEAVIER weight, its simply works muscle to failure.

[in_nujerz]

panzer i do the same thing raise the weight up every set till failuire last 2 sets, but mx3 method sounds intersting i wanna try that

[fdrx7man]

I train the same on or off gear. 9-10 sets for small muscles (ie:tris,bis,delts) 12 sets for large muscles(back, legs, pecs) every set is trained at full intensity to failure (8rep range) I start heavy as possible and lower the weight to achieve same number of reps on each set. I train two muscles ed (ie: pecs,bis) my schedule is 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off repeat. cardio is minimal 9months out of the year.

^ agreed.. i train the same regardless of wether im on or off the juice.. maybe i train a lil harder when on but its more mental than anything i would assume.. and i do 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off routine every week.. just i do cardio everyday for 30 mins so thats the only difference i suppose..

[legobricks]

Ok, where to start.....

Yes gear will help with recovery BUT it is not the only limiting factor with recovery. Adequite amount of sleep every night, and also a good diet will help with that as well. While using gear you are no where near "superman". You can and will overtrain if you have this mentallity. You are right in a sense as gear does help with recovery but dont think you can train as much as you want. Train just like you were before, if it wasnt enough training then step it up. While on gear I feel that my body will let me train each body part twice a week and not be overtrained. Granted, I eat a lot while bulking and my sleep pattern is 7-9 hours a night. I feel refreshed every day im back in the gym. Just keep doing what you were doing before and if you feel its not enough step it up a bit but most importantly listen to your body. If you are sore then don't work out that muscle group, it needs time to rest and repair itself.

[fdrx7man]

ohh and i train major muscles 10-12 reps for 3 sets or till failure and i contiune to add weight to my sets untill i cant perform the full 10-12 reps.. then when i do reach the goal of doing 10 reps on the last set i just add more weight the next week.. kinda like a mental journal in a way.

for mass you gotta do heavy weights till failure.

[Panzerfaust80]

for mass 10-12 reps WAY to much IMHO.

but to each their own.

[fdrx7man]

yeah most like 4-6 reps really heavy, but i like to keep endurance while i lift for mass..

[kostakv]

i mix it up, first set 4reps, 6reps, 8reps, but i like to do 5X5 program usually. but lately its the other way.

[perfectbeast2001]

I train as intense as possible when on or off.

[reck]

[QUOTE=QuadPower;3811430]

Currently I'm 28 yrs, 6'0", 205 lbs, working out for 5 years. I will start on my first cycle probably 6 months from now, in the meantime I'm trying to get my questions answered. (and yes, I do read the stickies).

How do you vary your training so as to keep maximum gains? I know that nutrition is key, but I'm especially wondering on the training aspect.
QUOTE]

every"body" is different, though A.S. will def. make it a lot more difficult to overtrain, given the other variables remain constant (diet, sleep......) some guys are able to do double am/pm splits, a lot of it is trail and error and seeing what will work best for you, but yeah with a.s. , recovery is increased exponentially..

[Panzerfaust80]

true..

[hobbs9963]

While "on" i go heavy (no more than 5 reps per set after proper warmup) every 3rd week. On the other 2 weeks i'm constantly changing lifts and reps. Makes it more interesting to me. When "off" It stays pretty much the same but i only go heavy every 5th or 6th week.

[kostakv]

5X5 real oldschool, proven, still used.

[QuadPower]

Thanks guys, appreciate all the helpful responses!

[hobbs9963]

Yep, been doing 5 sets of 5 for years. Sucks when you get to that last set and fail at 3 and have to start at the same weight next time. I never allow myself more than 4 minutes between sets.