First cycle

[eff_haters]

Stats:

Age 20
Working out for a year
5 foot 11
151 lb1
14% BF

Goal: Pack on a lot of weight, get lots of strength and get ripped.

I would like to take Dianabol and I know its bad to take it past 6 weeks but I have read on the internet and to stack with this, should I take weekends off to let the liver be extra careful, and carry this on for 8 weeks?

I obviously would like to keep doses low to minimize potential side effects.

For liver protection I will take milk thistle. I haven't researched much on stacking or PCT, but I believe from what I have read (very little on this part) I would take clomid for PCT.

I am here to ask for a dosing schedule, see if I can stack this with anything, and also a PCT.

Thanks guys! I tried my hardest, I leave it up to your feedback!

[Njord]

Stats:

Age 20
Working out for a year
5 foot 11
151 lb1
14% BF

Goal: Pack on a lot of weight, get lots of strength and get ripped.

I would like to take Dianabol and I know its bad to take it past 6 weeks but I have read on the internet and to stack with this, should I take weekends off to let the liver be extra careful, and carry this on for 8 weeks?

I obviously would like to keep doses low to minimize potential side effects.

For liver protection I will take milk thistle. I haven't researched much on stacking or PCT, but I believe from what I have read (very little on this part) I would take clomid for PCT.

I am here to ask for a dosing schedule, see if I can stack this with anything, and also a PCT.

Thanks guys! I tried my hardest, I leave it up to your feedback!

If that was your hardest, I would hate to see your worst.

[breakbones]

Welcome,
and at you're weight, many people may just only recomend that you establish a strong diet before taking anything.

[IntenseAthlete]

dbol only cycle expect to gain 20lbs and get strong as hell!Sounds great!Till you look in the mirror and your swole with water and when you stop taken it you lose everthing!I agree with bones diet and training.At 5'11" 151/14% bf you arent even close to unlocking your full potential.Bro i gained almost 20 lbs from N02 when I was your size with no sides and kept it all.Maybe the No2 did nothing but get me focused on my training but I would recommend it over a dbol only cycle to someone your age,stats & background

[Discipline_1]

Welcome,
and at you're weight, many people may just only recomend that you establish a strong diet before taking anything.

couldnt agree more, you have a lot of room for gains naturally before AAS, i know its hard to wait before you start cycling, but i cant stress enough how much better off and successful you will be years down the road if you stay on this site and do a ton of research, good luck

[eff_haters]

I know, patience is the key etc, I have done research on steroids, I know the side effects etc, but I honestly want to go ahead with it. I am sick of seeing all my friends just getting huge and the girls love it. I feel I am ready to go on it.

So what dosage would you guys recommend for dbol and clomid, thanks!

[Elusive]

Eat Lots Of Food

[IntenseAthlete]

I know, patience is the key etc, I have done research on steroids, I know the side effects etc, but I honestly want to go ahead with it. I am sick of seeing all my friends just getting huge and the girls love it. I feel I am ready to go on it.

So what dosage would you guys recommend for dbol and clomid, thanks!

If youve done research than why you asking us q's you should already know.

[Discipline_1]

I know, patience is the key etc, I have done research on steroids, I know the side effects etc, but I honestly want to go ahead with it. I am sick of seeing all my friends just getting huge and the girls love it. I feel I am ready to go on it.

So what dosage would you guys recommend for dbol and clomid, thanks!

you have abviously done some research, more than a lot of young guys who jump on this thread and try to start aas, but you do need more, i hear you on the desire for the female attention and wanting to be like your friends but i am just saying... at your stats you wont get the full benefit of aas if you start at your state and when you want to continue to do them later down the road, you will not gain as easy and as much as if you fulfilled more of your genetic potential before

[peteroy01]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! !! dont do it!!!!!!! so how long have you been working out continuously? you say a year but it sound like you've been working out at Auschwitz

[cantfly]

no2 is the shit never took d-bols but did u buy it already

[VR4]

5 foot 11, 151 lbs at 14% BF??
You have a terrible foundation.

You need to get a better diet and workout before you start AAS.

[Discipline_1]

5 foot 11, 151 lbs at 14% BF??
You have a terrible foundation.

thats exactly what i was thinking... i just didnt want to be the one to say it

[taiboxa]

I know, patience is the key etc, I have done research on steroids, I know the side effects etc, but I honestly want to go ahead with it. I am sick of seeing all my friends just getting huge and the girls love it. I feel I am ready to go on it.

So what dosage would you guys recommend for dbol and clomid, thanks!

your wasting ur time and money if you cant even acquire a decent foundation w/ proper diet.. but hey, if u want to make an idiotic choice and waste money, time, and gear.. IM ALL FOR IT


god i hope this thread is suppose to be a joke

[goose]

no its real ninja.Send it to ask ninja for his veiws.If he does this cycle I will become a shemale.

[longhorn814]

5 foot 11, 151 lbs at 14% BF??
You have a terrible foundation.

You need to get a better diet and workout before you start AAS.

wow, youre no where near ready for steroids..learn how to eat..I guarantee that you dont have a clue..if you cant gain naturally, you wont gain on steroids either

[Big]

I agree with every post above mine (except the original poster's posts) you are no where near ready, and no one here will condone or help on your ill-fated journey.

[green22]

buck 50 at 5'11 and 20yrs old...................dude you really dont need steroids yet.

[eff_haters]

dude i really do need steroids when I am this skinny, i dont care, i want to get big and this is my decision, i come here to ask questions and you guys turn it to as if i dont know anything about diet when I actually do and i cant gain weight. Thats my genes, but hey, if you guys dont want to help then thats ok, im still going on it so w.e to the dude, u can start turning into a shemale!

How would this be a waste of time, money, and gear? I have personally seen people younger then me, my height and weight area and have gone on roids and they are fine 2 years later, and still huge, maybe people go on roids for different reasons i dont know, my goal is to get big and I have been training hard for 1 full year and before that 2 years on and off with no routine nothing, people dont assume things!

[taiboxa]

dude i really do need steroids when I am this skinny, i dont care, i want to get big and this is my decision, i come here to ask questions and you guys turn it to as if i dont know anything about diet when I actually do and i cant gain weight. Thats my genes, but hey, if you guys dont want to help then thats ok, im still going on it so w.e to the dude, u can start turning into a shemale!

my god, how dumb are you. if you cant eat to gain the slightest bit naturally how are you going to eat enough to maintain your new found muscle.. YOU WONT. lol i will never understand how the hell some peoples' brains work.

[shifty_git]

dude i really do need steroids when I am this skinny, i dont care, i want to get big and this is my decision, i come here to ask questions and you guys turn it to as if i dont know anything about diet when I actually do and i cant gain weight. Thats my genes, but hey, if you guys dont want to help then thats ok, im still going on it so w.e to the dude, u can start turning into a shemale!

How would this be a waste of time, money, and gear? I have personally seen people younger then me, my height and weight area and have gone on roids and they are fine 2 years later, and still huge, maybe people go on roids for different reasons i dont know, my goal is to get big and I have been training hard for 1 full year and before that 2 years on and off with no routine nothing, people dont assume things!

Post your diet with macros before you claim to have a great diet..

[eff_haters]

my god, how dumb are you. if you cant eat to gain the slightest bit naturally how are you going to eat enough to maintain your new found muscle.. YOU WONT. lol i will never understand how the hell some peoples' brains work.

How dumb are you? how would you know what i eat, haha i will never understand how the hell some people's brains work either! gtfo

[eff_haters]

Why should I post up my diet, I KNOW i eat the most I can, i didnt come here asking for diet help.

[testisbest]

my god, how dumb are you. if you cant eat to gain the slightest bit naturally how are you going to eat enough to maintain your new found muscle.. YOU WONT. lol i will never understand how the hell some peoples' brains work.

very true. If you can't consume enough calories to gain weight now, when you take your little dbol cycle and retain a bunch of water buy consuming the same amount of calories to weigh 150 you'll drop back down to what you weigh now. Period, end of story. Don't be lazy and look for a quick fix. Body building isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. Good luck and I hope you find it in yourself to make a mature, educated decision.

[shifty_git]

Why should I post up my diet, I KNOW i eat the most I can, i didnt come here asking for diet help.

eating 'the most you can' doest mean your diet is going to help you bulk..

im guessing you dont have a clue about macros yet?

[eff_haters]

I read side effects etc, this is a mature decision, how would it not be, oh I shouldn't take it because my genes is me being skinny, and I try and get 3000+ calories a day and cant gain weight and I am at my plataue weight wise....

[gixxerboy1]

Why should I post up my diet, I KNOW i eat the most I can, i didnt come here asking for diet help.

because if you eat enough you will gain weight. Fat or muscle but you will get heavier. Its not your genes thats an excuse. If you cant eat enough food to get heavier then 150lbs you wont be more then 150 lbs with or with out steriods. Where do you think the extra weight you put on comes from? Its food.

[taiboxa]

go visit the diet section, after you run your premature cycle and realize you just wasted a buncha of time and money because your diet was so subpar that you didnt retain a single pound, and read a stickie that deals w/ "HARD GAINERS".
thanks.. now stop posting

[longhorn814]

Why should I post up my diet, I KNOW i eat the most I can, i didnt come here asking for diet help.

ok mr know-it-all, here is an example of a bulking diet..if you cant eat like this for starters, dont even bother with steroids..b/c you wont be able to keep what little gains you make

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

diet is 90% of this game..learn to eat if you want results..steroids arent a shortcut or a magic pill like you believe

[testisbest]

I read side effects etc, this is a mature decision, how would it not be, oh I shouldn't take it because my genes is me being skinny, and I try and get 3000+ calories a day and cant gain weight and I am at my plataue weight wise....

I'll bet my house you aren't eating 3000 plus calories a day. Post what you eat every day (honestly) and I'll add up the cals for you. Alot of guys think they're eating alot more than they actually are. You do that for me and I'll honestly help you if I can. I'd rather you get the most out of your cycle and be happy with the end results. I understand your frustrations and want to help. Post that diet.

[Civic0]

research a little bit more my man...you want to be safe

[gixxerboy1]

How dumb are you? how would you know what i eat, haha i will never understand how the hell some people's brains work either! gtfo

How dumb are we? Howwould we know what you eat? EASY

Your 5'11 150lbs and 14% thats how.

So you dont eat enough food to gain weight but thats because of your a genes right? But your also 14% so your not even lean and skinny. So apparently your genes arent helpnig you get ripped either.

[longhorn814]

people are trying to help you on here..some are just more blunt than others, youre just not getting the answers you want, but these are the best answers for your question..there are similar questions posted everyday and they all get the same responses as you...smart ones listen and take our advice, while others choose to ignore us and end up disappointed in their results

[eff_haters]

So i would basically lose everything after my cycle considering the state I am in now? That sucks! I am not trying to be rude or anything and yes I am frustrated, I really want to go on it.

ok diet:

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites, 2 toasts, quickmass drink

Meal 2 - Salad, protein drink, vegetables

Meal 3 - Chicken breast, salad, quickmass drink, rice

Workout

Meal 4 - Protein drink, 3 cans of tuna with mayo, vegetables, salad, beef or steak

Meal 5 - Lasagna, mashed potatoes

Meal 6 - Peanut butter sandwhich, quickmass drink

Bed.

[eff_haters]

I dont see how my results will be dissapointed, like I think what I eat is enough, i calculated, to gain weight for my I need 3000+ calories a day and I get that for sure! Like if i tried a little harder and ate a bit more, would the steroids still not help and just go away?

[gixxerboy1]

You def have to up the food bud. Its hard to say exactly with out knowing your portion sizes you are eating but i eat alot more then that at 180lbs

[shifty_git]

So i would basically lose everything after my cycle considering the state I am in now? That sucks! I am not trying to be rude or anything and yes I am frustrated, I really want to go on it.

ok diet:

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites, 2 toasts, quickmass drink

Meal 2 - Salad, protein drink, vegetables

Meal 3 - Chicken breast, salad, quickmass drink, rice

Workout

Meal 4 - Protein drink, 3 cans of tuna with mayo, vegetables, salad, beef or steak

Meal 5 - Lasagna, mashed potatoes

Meal 6 - Peanut butter sandwhich, quickmass drink

Bed.

Thats not 3000 cal...

[testisbest]

thanks, but not close to 3000+. IMO, double everything you eat. leave the salad out for a meal and replace with beef or chicken with brown rice. double your eggs for breakfast and add 1 to 2 cups of oatmeal. Meal 3, eat 3 or 4 chicken breast. Not sure what's in quick mass but I'll give you a recipe for a cheap homemade high calorie shake if you want. Have that before and after your workout followed by a meal of chicken and brown rice w/ veggies. when you say beef or steak not sure how much your eating but prolly isn't nearly enough. Make sure that peanut butter and jelly is LOADED with peanut butter on wheat toast. Let me know if you want my recipe for a shake, it will save you alot of money and add quality calories. Throw in a banana a day for good measure. This isn't a perfect meal plan but it's simple and will help you blast past this "plateau" and build a respectable foundation before jumping on AAS. Good luck and feel free to ask anything.

[testisbest]

I'm your height and over 50 pounds heavier and you'll shit yourself if you saw how much I eat compared to you. Everybody I know is amazed by how much I eat. It isn't easy at first but believe me, you get used to putting down that much food. I was your size when I started and thought the same way you do. I did a test cycle when I was 17 and weighed 175 but I was in shape and probably 11 or 12% but still didn't eat properly and lost everything I gained with in 2 months after finishing my cycle. I can help you if you actually want to go about this the right way.

[gixxerboy1]

test you have a pm