test e or c/eq cycle

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:19 PM

Thinking of running 400/400mg test e or c/eq cycle. Dont want the acne, bloat or gyno. been working out about 8 yrs naturally. 5-6'' about 200 12-14% Bf in bulk phase. AI or serm or both and what about PCT. This will be my 2nd cycle. Currently running eq 600/wk. Any suggestions/advice. How much would i expect to gain and keep when i'm done?

**shifty_git** · 02-15-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by easy20

Thinking of running 400/400mg test e or c/eq cycle. Dont want the acne, bloat or gyno. been working out about 8 yrs naturally. 5-6'' about 200 12-14% Bf in bulk phase. AI or serm or both and what about PCT. This will be my 2nd cycle. Currently running eq 600/wk. Any suggestions/advice. How much would i expect to gain and keep when i'm done?

Use a SERM and an AI in ya PCT...
Check out the PCT section.. Pheedno's or Anthony Roberts PCT's are popular.

Keep an AI on hand for estro sides..

Do the EQ at 600mg like you have on present cycle..

**Bigmax** · 02-15-2008, 05:23 PM

Thats hard to say what you will gain as Nutrition is big part of it..There wont be much difference in E or C IMO...some hold more water wit C and others like C cause they say it has more " kick".Eq is a very mild anabolic bro....gains are slow but steady...16 weeks bro on EQ for optimal results...look at anthony roberts PCT protocal.

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:26 PM

Run arimidex with the cycle or nolva for gyno?

**largerthannormal** · 02-15-2008, 05:26 PM

i woulda stacked the eq with test ..as big max said very mild anabolic ! mostly for vascularity and hardness.. for ur second? AI on hand during cycle...PCT id run Nolva Clomid and possibly hcg if u can get it...or even run hcg on cycle as permitted! it helps bring natty test back faster..(not proven but heard it does) most agree!

**shifty_git** · 02-15-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by easy20

Run arimidex with the cycle or nolva for gyno?

Arimidex will do the job nicely... i prefer an AI while on cycle if i need it, rather than a SERM.

Dont cut ya estro down 2 much though.. check out mercs thread on estro and gains.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

**Bigmax** · 02-15-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by easy20

Run arimidex with the cycle or nolva for gyno?

arimidex is my fav bro...

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:30 PM

should i run the hcg every week on cycle or run it when i make my last injection for 2 weeks after

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:31 PM

how much dex and eod or ed

**Bigmax** · 02-15-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by easy20

should i run the hcg every week on cycle or run it when i make my last injection for 2 weeks after

If you want to keep your natty test somewhat bumped take it during cycle.

**largerthannormal** · 02-15-2008, 05:33 PM

every 3rd week on cycle for HCG

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:35 PM

What dose of hcg 5000iu? or less

**largerthannormal** · 02-15-2008, 05:35 PM

for a beginner type cycle like that i dont think it is that important to run HCG .. its just something i like to add to the routine! keepa as much as possible i always say...why loose what u already worked for?

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-15-2008, 05:35 PM

i ran a tes e 250/wk and eq 600/wk cycle, with some dbol in there. Gained 30, kept 25. I assume eq put on a lot of quality muscle, but with 400.wk test you should make some good gains. Run the eq for at least 14 tho

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:37 PM

Tadpole, how much was bloat weight compared to solid muscle

**largerthannormal** · 02-15-2008, 05:37 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331425

if u really wanna know the benifits merc posted a good thread today! im surprised it hasnt got many reviews yet!

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:44 PM

How bad is acne on test

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-15-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by easy20

Tadpole, how much was bloat weight compared to solid muscle

well if i gained 30 and kept 25... there wasnt that much bloat. At most id say 7 lbs. I got acne on my low dose of test. But i have acne occasionally without anything too.

**easy20** · 02-15-2008, 05:53 PM

did you use an ai or serm

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-15-2008, 10:55 PM

yes and yes

**N4cer** · 02-16-2008, 12:07 AM

With dbol and test being many times more potent androgens (androgenically and anabolically) than EQ, I wouldn't assume that the EQ is responsible for your gains, tabpoleboyy. I'd chalk up the majority of your gains to the test and dbol. And the acne could come from any of the three as well. They're all androgens, and all work together to give androgenic sides such as acne.

Sorry just details that should be noted, as I think we should be as accurate as possible on here when making posts that others will be learning from.