first real cycle

[Borat777]

Hey! What`s up.

I`m all new here and looking for some tips. I`m 31 5,9 and 190 pounds 12.5% body fat and have been very active with martials arts all my. The last 4 years I`ve been dong hard core weight training 4 to 5 day a week and have now decided to do my first cycle. I don`t want lots of size but some with a ripped and shredded look. I plan on doing EQ with WINNIE.

week 1-2 600mg eq week 3-12 50mg/day winnie tabs
week 3-9 500mg eq
week 10-13 400mg eq

pct nolvadex for 3 weeks

I`ve done lots of research and the only other ingredient I could think of adding here would test e at either 150mg or 250 mg a week form week 2-11 But If I could get away with just the eq and winnie then I will.

any input would be great!!!

[Prada]

Honestly I think you should do more research man. Why all the tapering? Just keep it simple, for example Test Prop Week1-8 300 mgs. PCT should be at least 4 weeks IMO.

Personally Id check my diet and maybe use some Clen

[Njord]

First cycle should be test only imo. You need to do a little more research if you think running winny for 10 weeks is ok. Pct needs work.

[Borat777]

I`m definetly using the eq and winny because I have it on hand, and the tapering is due to the amount I have. Plus front loading is better with eq anyway.

[Njord]

Ok, so you don't really want advice then. Or maybe you just want everyone to tell you what a great cycle you have planned out.

[longhorn814]

honestly, i dont like it at all..sounds like you dont want to hear the answers you know youre going to get..using something just b/c you have it on hand it stupid..you can easily save it for another cycle

[Borat777]

Apreciate the constructive critisism! if it`s not a good idea then what is recommended. if I want to the results I`m looking for. What should I drop what should I add to this cycle.

[Big]

Apreciate the constructive critisism! if it`s not a good idea then what is recommended. if I want to the results I`m looking for. What should I drop what should I add to this cycle.

at least 2 posts in this thread told you what was recommended.

[Borat777]

Alright then! too may injections with the test prop. How about the enanthate , I`m thinking then maybe 400 to 500mg a week and then doing that cutting cycle after.

[Big]

test e at 500mg/week for 12 weeks, split into 2 shots a week, would be a good cycle. Follow with a better pct than you have listed, and then take plenty of time off before another cycle.

[Borat777]

Cool ! Should I just run a longer pct with novaldex as stated above or should I ad something to it. If I`m going to do this I need to do it right!

Thanks.

[longhorn814]

Alright then! too may injections with the test prop. How about the enanthate, I`m thinking then maybe 400 to 500mg a week and then doing that cutting cycle after.

you can cut on test e..all depends on what your diet and training consisits off

[Borat777]

Diets ok I`m taking 200g of protein per day arround 400g of carbs a day. and I usually have a cheat day, can`t resist wings and pizza but I never eat desserts ever!

Don`t want to cut out to many carbs, need those for energy and growth.

What`s cardio like on the test.

[legobricks]

Youll need to up your protein as well as carb intake if your looking to bulk. Cardio on test is really no different than without it IMO. Even if your lean bulking up your protein. Try to get 1.5-2g of protein per lb of bodyweight.

[longhorn814]

Diets ok I`m taking 200g of protein per day arround 400g of carbs a day. and I usually have a cheat day, can`t resist wings and pizza but I never eat desserts ever!

Don`t want to cut out to many carbs, need those for energy and growth.

What`s cardio like on the test.

you said in your original post that you dont want much more size, you want to be more cut, now you want to grow? If you wanna lean out, i suggest lower your carbs and upping your protein..either way though, you need to up your protein to 1.5-2 grams/lb of bodyweight..if youre cutting, you can get by with just eating carbs for breakfast and PWO

[PT]

i would definatly use test instead of a eq and winny cycle. if you have eq and want to use it then do a test/eq cycle.

[Borat777]

Yeah I`m still looking for the cut look. Just wanted to know if test affects cardio workouts. Thanks for the input guys. If I decided to stack the test with the eq, what should the dosage ratio be between the two.

[Prada]

1)Remember do not taper, keep the shots consistent. Or sides will show up.
2)Keep it simple, Id got with Test solo and keep the Eq for next cycle. You can easily gain 20lbs
3)Ameliorate your PCT, meaning take Nolva and an AI, preferably take exmestane. Run it at least 4 weeks
4) Dont let the edema fool you, you will not look cut while on with Enanthate or Cypionate but once the water sheds you'll be lean. Depending on diet as well naturally.

[Borat777]

Wow thanks for the tips! That is definetly one thing I`d like to avoid is the sides. I guess this is why I first chose milder gear as appose to stronger gear (test), I just don`t want the acne flare ups. How long should I wait between cycles and how should I stack the eq in the second cycle

[redz]

The guide line for time between cycles is Time on+PCT=time off before starting the next cycle.

[Prada]

Wow thanks for the tips! That is definetly one thing I`d like to avoid is the sides. I guess this is why I first chose milder gear as appose to stronger gear (test), I just don`t want the acne flare ups. How long should I wait between cycles and how should I stack the eq in the second cycle

Thats why you got to have consistent hormone levels, fluctuating them will increase sides. As stated above Time on + Pct < Time off.
For a second cycle you can use the same amount of test and add EQ used at a slightly less amount.

[Borat777]

Thanks thats the type of info and I`m looking for. Guess I`ll do some more research on pct`s now!!!

[Prada]

FYI
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758