my first cycle

[baine]

Hey guys ,

so im starting my first cylce this week and this is how it looks

Week 1 - 8: sustanon 250mg.week
Week 1 - 8: 30mg var e.d.

As i consider myself prone to estrogen side effects, especially to bloating, could i use nolvadex during my cylce to prevent estrogenic side effects such as water retention and gyno. I cannot afford any armidex or aromasin as i know these will be more effective for my goals.

i got the nolva for free from a buddy of mine and i would like to know what daily dosage u guys would recommend to prevent estrogenic side effects.

Also what would be a gr8 pct?

Much appreciated

[BEAMERMAN]

wait till you do have enough money for that or your doing yourself more harm then good imo take nolv20mg clomid for a pct but i would really recommend a ai

[baine]

wait till you do have enough money for that or your doing yourself more harm then good imo take nolv20mg clomid for a pct but i would really recommend a ai

mmm...what about 5mg nolva e.d.?

[facile]

5mgs is way to low, I would think 20mg a day would be needed, but an AI is better

[baine]

5mgs is way to low, I would think 20mg a day would be needed, but an AI is better

could nolvadex effactively prevent gyno and bloating though, i dont really care if it inhibits some gains.

Secondly, will an anit-estrogen even be needed on such a low doasage of sus?

[nowdenlid]

also 250mgs of suss ew ????

thats not right at all and for 8 weeks you wont see very good results .

it should look more like this

weeks 1-12 125mgs of suss(1/2ml) every other day for the 12 weeks.

nolva 30-40 mgs every day (30 days)start 14-16 days after last shot of suss

[BEAMERMAN]

you could hold off on taking any ai or nolv till you start to encounter some problems then start taking them

[baine]

also 250mgs of suss ew ????

thats not right at all and for 8 weeks you wont see very good results .

it should look more like this

weeks 1-12 125mgs of suss(1/2ml) every other day for the 12 weeks.

nolva 30-40 mgs every day (30 days)start 14-16 days after last shot of suss

i disagree with the fact that sus needs to be injected every otherday...the two medium esters make one shot per week sufficient

i might extend the cycle though to 12 weeks depending on gains, i really want advice according to nolva usage during my cycle

[nowdenlid]

i disagree with the fact that sus needs to be injected every otherday...the two medium esters make one shot per week sufficient

i might extend the cycle though to 12 weeks depending on gains, i really want advice according to nolva usage during my cycle

well you have got alot to lern if yo think 250mgs every week is ok for a cycle...

[longhorn814]

i disagree with the fact that sus needs to be injected every otherday...the two medium esters make one shot per week sufficient
i might extend the cycle though to 12 weeks depending on gains, i really want advice according to nolva usage during my cycle

nope, you dont really have to shoot sust EOD, but you still need to shoot it twice a week..not once a week..8 weeks is too short for sust too..need to do 12..since this is your first cycle how do you know your prone to estrogen effects? Nolva will keep gyno away, but it wont prevent bloat..you need an AI to prevent that and honestly..if you cant afford an AI..how you will afford your PCT supps? You should wait until you have everything before you start

[baine]

well you have got alot to lern if yo think 250mgs every week is ok for a cycle...

bro i dont mean to challenge your authority on the correct doasges for steroids and so forth...this is my first cycl and this is how i have planned it...

i know many ppl who did 250mg cycles of sustanon for upto ten weeks at a time and packed on about 10 - 15lbs and maintained it with gd diet, training and pct. Yes, first time users adminster at best 500mg of test per cyle but i have had many responses by ppl who have been in the game for a very long time, that 250mg of sus will yield good results

btw..u make such an assertion without even enquiring what my goals are for thic cylcle i acknowledge im still a novice, but your response had made be belive that you cannot be to clued up either....

[longhorn814]

you can do 250mg and be fine..sure its a low dose, but theres nothign wrong with that..less chance of sides..hell i never go above 350mg of test on any cycle anymore...still think you need to run longer than 8 weeks and shoot it at least twice a week though..that var dose is a chick dose man..nothing under 50mg for any type of results..80mg is a good spot

[baine]

you can do 250mg and be fine..sure its a low dose, but theres nothign wrong with that..less chance of sides..hell i never go above 350mg of test on any cycle anymore...still think you need to run longer than 8 weeks and shoot it at least twice a week though..that var dose is a chick dose man..nothing under 50mg for any type of results..80mg is a good spot

thanks for more constructive critiscms, yah gonna push the sus up to 12 weeks, heck was even thinking of doubling the dosage to 500mg from week 4 - 8.

the reaosn that i think ill be prone to estrogenic side effects is the fact that i have been on proscar(finasteride) for the last two years coz of mpb issues. As we all know proscar prevents test aromatizing into dht which is all well and good.

but...dht is an antagnosist for estrogen rite, and because my body is restricted in its dht production, i have experienecd common estrogenic side effects like putting alotta bloat on around my face and hips and thighs. the reason im using the var btw is not for any physical gains but purely to harden me up a bit and of course increase my strength due to its affinty for the phosphocreatine receptors.

Hope this clears things up a bit

[longhorn814]

i would keep the sust dose constant..changing the amount can increase the chance of sides b/c of fluctuating blood levels..i doubt you'll have many estrogen problems at such a low dose..besides some estrogen is actually a GOOD thing and will aid in gains

dont expect that var dose to do much for ya..its very weak and you'll really only notice the hardening if your already have low body fat

[baine]

i would keep the sust dose constant..changing the amount can increase the chance of sides b/c of fluctuating blood levels..i doubt you'll have many estrogen problems at such a low dose..besides some estrogen is actually a GOOD thing and will aid in gains

dont expect that var dose to do much for ya..its very weak and you'll really only notice the hardening if your already have low body fat

thanks bro for the advice really appreciated, perhaps i sud keep the nolva on hand in case of any sides...think this is the best idea as for the var, i think ill take my chances with it and see how it goes.

[green22]

What you have is fine. Those doses are to low to cause any sides. At least Id be suprised if it did..

[baine]

What you have is fine. Those doses are to low to cause any sides. At least Id be suprised if it did..

i hope so bro.....im a bit paranoid about gyno etc...

[longhorn814]

from my experiece, most, and I say most, not all, people who have issues with gyno are running higher doses..youre not doing much over HRT so i would be very surprised if you have any gyno issues at all

[baine]

from my experiece, most, and I say most, not all, people who have issues with gyno are running higher doses..youre not doing much over HRT so i would be very surprised if you have any gyno issues at all

its just that my extensive usage of finasteride has made me a bit nervous about gyno and so forth....it seem that foinasteride already elevates estrogen levels in ur body and i have been using it for well ofver 24 months now

[longhorn814]

there are plenty of people that run finasteride with test and report no issues..just have the necessary stuff on hand in case you have problems

[baine]

there are plenty of people that run finasteride with test and report no issues..just have the necessary stuff on hand in case you have problems

yes i understand that bro, but thats only during the cycle. ive been on proscar for nealy two years now and thats what scares me

if i run the sus with no nolva, and i show signs of gyno sud i immediately use the nolvadex and at what doasge?

[IvanDrago]

from what I've read do 40mg the first day and 20mg every day after till symptoms subside

[longhorn814]

yes i understand that bro, but thats only during the cycle. ive been on proscar for nealy two years now and thats what scares me

if i run the sus with no nolva, and i show signs of gyno sud i immediately use the nolvadex and at what doasge?

no bro, there are plenty of people that run proscar year round too..not just on cycle..20mg of nolva should be plenty..you could do 40mg if youre really paranoid if/when you show signs of gyno

[baine]

no bro, there are plenty of people that run proscar year round too..not just on cycle..20mg of nolva should be plenty..you could do 40mg if youre really paranoid if/when you show signs of gyno

man you have really put my mind at ease...will run sus without anti-e, and ensure that ill keep nolva on hand just in case